From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Eric Schulte" Subject: Re: Re: Sending org buffer as mail? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:53:47 -0700 Message-ID: <87d3oni7pw.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oc8huycc.fsf@gmail.com> <87vd2mu9qg.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37628 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PXEWG-0007NX-NM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:57:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXEWF-00051D-8P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:57:52 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:40853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXEWF-000516-5z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:57:51 -0500 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so9303676qyk.0 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:57:50 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Niels Giesen Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Niels Giesen writes: > "Eric Schulte" writes: > >> Niels Giesen writes: >> >>> "Eric Schulte" writes: >>> >>>> Thanks, I've just pushed up a new version of org-mime which makes use of >>>> this function. >>> > > Hi Eric, thanks for implementing this. > > However, I see a problem in the solution for when html-ascii is > specified as the MAIL_FMT, being that the same hook will be run for both > parts of the message. I think it better not to have a html-ascii hook > and run the html hook for the html part and the ascii hook for the ascii > part. Otherwise the ascii hook may for instance delete a =BEGIN_SRC= > line and insert cut lines not needed by html. > > Same goes for html (which is in fact html-org). Although I cannot really > think of any hooks I might want to run there. > Thanks for pointing this out. I've just pushed up a fix which implements a single hook for each format, and (as you suggested) runs each hook over only the related mime part of the message. > > I'll take a look at the link you gave for "Org-mode block fontification" > in gnus, although that seems like a solution for the receiving side, and > most of my peers do not run gnus and org, or emacs for that matter, but > many do want to receive mail in plain text. > I like the 'html option for situations like this, as a fontified html version of the email is sent for normal users, however an org format exports is supplied as a mime alternative, so users who have instructed their email clients to prefer plain text will be presented with the plain text org syntax. In my wildest of dreams the org-mode begin_src syntax could be adopted as a plain-text standard for setting off source code, so that email clients other than gnus could begin providing for their own fontification of such blocks. > > On the subject of encouraging so-called code blocks brought to our > attention by Samuel, encouraging this was not my intention, I should > have thought better before posting and I will never in my life post such > immoral examples anymore. > Your consideration is much appreciated. :) > > Regards, > > Niels > >>> [...] >>> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> I love the org-mime-subtree function! It makes writing good-looking >>> mails very easy. >>> >>> Now for a proposal: >>> >>> For ascii export used for mail, it would be cool if SRC and EXAMPLE >>> blocks be surrounded by "cut here" scissor lines. They look well in gnus >>> for example: >>> >> >> For even better looking code in gnus, I personally prefer to use org as >> my export target (rather than ascii), and with "Org-mode code block >> fontification" configuration from >> http://eschulte.github.com/emacs-starter-kit/starter-kit-gnus.html >> code blocks inside org-mode markup will be correctly fontified in gnus >> messages. >> >>> >>> code or example here >>> >>> Maybe the best way to achieve this is to define a hook before the string >>> is sent to `org-export-string' with the FMT arg set to 'ascii, so that >>> people can define their own functions. For instance, there are also >>> people who prefer a block like >>> >> >> good idea, I've just added a series of hooks to org-mime which will be >> called in a temporary buffer holding the text to be exported, so you >> could add a function here to add scissor lines around code blocks. Like >> Sam I would discourage the use of boxquotes for anything that users may >> want to cut and paste. For ascii use the `org-mime-pre-ascii-hook'. >> >> If you come up with useful hooks it may be nice to share them on worg at >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-mime.php >> >>> >>> ,----[ emacs-lisp ] >>> | source here >>> `---- >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Niels. >> >> Thanks for the suggestion -- Eric >> >>