From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id SeTiNY2q2V9CRgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 06:34:53 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id alQ5MY2q2V+nZAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 06:34:53 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 366D3940253 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 06:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57116 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpQOg-0001Vs-Jy for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 01:34:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53820) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpQ9o-00056r-UM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 01:19:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpQ9o-0001qP-JE; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 01:19:28 -0500 Received: from lns-bzn-32-82-254-31-120.adsl.proxad.net ([82.254.31.120]:45192 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kpQ9n-0006hk-Vn; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 01:19:28 -0500 Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F1FE71A60DA8; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 07:19:25 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien To: Pankaj Jangid Subject: Re: Release Org 9.4.2 References: <87h7ooeumg.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8iwxyud.fsf@codeisgreat.org> <873608o4h8.fsf@bzg.fr> <87h7ooxvn2.fsf@codeisgreat.org> <87sg87paed.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <873607yxvh.fsf@codeisgreat.org> <871rfr2ll2.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnxiv1te.fsf@codeisgreat.org> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 07:19:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wnxiv1te.fsf@codeisgreat.org> (Pankaj Jangid's message of "Wed, 16 Dec 2020 09:29:09 +0530") Message-ID: <87czzajms2.fsf@bzg.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 366D3940253 X-Spam-Score: -1.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: A66ZoI3IBcfY Pankaj Jangid writes: >> But (1) it is not only *our* decision, it's also in the hands of the >> Emacs maintainers, which may think otherwise; (2) all the consequences >> need to be considered, as it is a sensible move; (3) I am on the verge >> of stepping down as a maintainer, so it is not a good time for me to >> push into a direction or another. > > I sensed (3) when I saw an email (last month I guess) about assimilating > parts of Org into Emacs. While that is a good idea. But I don=E2=80=99t h= ave a > very good feeling about you leaving. You have contributed so much. You > have maintained it so well. > > I can understand how it feels when people complain about features. And > sometimes they blame the maintainers for some specific product > directions. But it is bound to happen when they are also attached to the > product. I hope these things have not shaped up your decision. It > happens in a closely knit family. Thanks a lot for the kind words, appreciated. Be reassured, the fact that I shall soon step down has nothing to do with the community: in fact, the community is what kept me motivated for nearly ten years now! This decision is a simple combination of me not having enough time (which can lead to frustrating situations for other contributors) and the fact that I'm confident about Org's future. >> Anyway, I don't think now is the right time to consider this move, as >> there are many more things to achieve. I suggest we discuss this again >> later next year. > > Yes. This is endless. We=E2=80=99ll continue this... ... but I'm very receptive to the real questions: how can we expose the latest Org to more testers? how can we recruit more contributors? If at some point developing Org within Emacs seems to be part of a good solution, I'll be all for it. I definitely prefer this scenario to the one where Org is kicked out Emacs core and moved to a separate, not-installed-by-default, GNU ELPA package. Best, --=20 Bastien