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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Joost Kremers , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638170653; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=vqx1KQieJyyuDQrstfmbmxaXAuzXgk0SFM6Mh+/wKa0=; b=BghRGOVAv1U58w5uV4KtfOI6a7+4S9JLnwaje88ZlRdOzR44D7MMpmykgIafyXHELy8xUD Hk4vJsuoSasm9UiUFArrjHkPi4Fu7Yob+U9onA34seUC3d9kHV2WrwmGaJPeoVLgLsxF5V PV+45u5s51GHUKYhr1ehIw0kxPeyjQ7WyyC9NPHjuFV69NO6xllvRhKtrlH3ODVO8hqZcy 6GEYesD2ME1BRSKC3FHOS5WTGoMLQcrQOdHqXdi8IGMQ8EkEmnxsDyWp60KU1AGQT7U2E/ pXN9+ioAB491/2bRnCin9UI0Ba5RuvBcchSV81N2LKFDF3rjqJrbeDBAx438TQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638170653; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=eZuCQUTVtoOgQhGee7z8ElFqPROC2wg6Y4DtA4+7I47dCfet9zFY5bbvZwGibqQ7sNqBa0 oCusE+XEieAFUs5y+xypOsubCkHicVuSlDxF3FCZKy+E0z0xLOLi6mUdt2mgPvy9X+zAkC N4+e1fkfzbMucfrNp1w7qxlfshXkEPdNbY3QuRmqVvWslF2PKNwLXYK9hDUKq9e+hnwmhZ H0mVFxKXw36LDk19yj19xIywOHkkw7dxHbHOnVCFRq1nu+jKWGRJoQW2AAbv29ubhetSXC g9UlSm0rHyIRTita64XuIc24BqlWyV7ZsNvEmCmD9AINCJWxktx7bVGrjG3jSQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=QtvIAFJq; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=QtvIAFJq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 756ED15498 X-Spam-Score: -6.21 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: EF1By+8rhp51 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: > Joost Kremers writes: > >> Why not just use the term "Org markup"? It's descriptive and should be >> understandable to people familiar with the concept of markup languages. > > This. 'Org markup language' and 'Org Syntax' are obvious and natural > terms that can easily be inferred from the Org manual. Honestly I don't > see much point in coming up with new names for a concept which is > already transparent and self-explanatory. It is something I find > unnecessary and baroque. Org markup and Org syntax sound good, I think. I=E2=80=99m unsure which is better to convey that this includes features =E2=80=94 that org-mode is much more than just a way to encode some information, but a way to interact with documents and an implementation of the syntax should keep that in mind. One thing that is important to keep: Org Syntax or Org Markup is implementation-defined. You cannot claim *full compatibility*, if you are not fully compatible with org-mode. This includes a lot of Emacs features, like linking to arbitrary files/buffers/things, extending links, and so on. The minimal syntax (missing a lot of features) would be outline markup or outline syntax (from outline-mode, the ancestor of org-mode). 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