From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id oGYuKgP9qmGu/wAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:30:43 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 8F3rJQP9qmFtagAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 05:30:43 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E2CF2D2BA for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 06:30:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNdC-0003we-ER for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNc8-0003wV-Cl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:29:36 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:49865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNc5-0001oM-VU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:29:36 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAB35240026 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 06:29:29 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638595770; bh=sZWJd/aQELBYRl1jHaQqQ8GWJZeC6hMvCL7B7MOd1R4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=Q1GfX1bnEWw3rrvhihW95ArYIQjTeQ4VUpvWknRO3B0V6ouW3Ls10Idky/flfZvN2 cS522x4n2CPVCSxJnxyyu376oktKgdxL59UoFu34uJ8DX4eQJRHl9EWsbpDeo7MD7T sH2sYWcQP8LNyBtfbZIKjUsecRp9OwunMz9/+DaceQuWihRLj6x4IHTik1yMbVf9PZ ub/WScn6zTjGCvqoE+ej0VuCgwLPC6ZT+00LiJ14HIIGaagiGuNdanUM5UOY04OUZq UIE92Pf3aR1bnSgDTQwj+VUId29c/AbPe2dZpr0PdG2RMKPpopx8GaOSP6tT5m0ITn /W0bJszpomkpg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J5dY52fhMz9rxF; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 06:29:29 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Tom Gillespie Subject: Re: On zero width spaces and Org syntax References: <87ilw5yhv3.fsf@posteo.net> <87v905gtis.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6hh40uk.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 05:29:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Tom Gillespie's message of "Fri, 3 Dec 2021 20:04:28 -0800") Message-ID: <87czmdgcp4.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638595843; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=sZWJd/aQELBYRl1jHaQqQ8GWJZeC6hMvCL7B7MOd1R4=; b=kCISbi2XZou7C2iemNLvUNBiTJKemNy33Nj7Bvl+F6nRjjYcfkHmFn3JrXYE8kA1K4CVXD 4rZAAowdtvPL+UjYaskZcDXtmm0EAFWELJXf16Vyl5ZZr7hFRfZCgIVNz37LVxDjFcE5rF JPJbUEXLBtmNN56nx70FQShlCAJxov+YBcEaaRagTL8/gk4IRxtakT83qcbmBAzCYuGy2v aa4KE6oPcBF1e7rY0XD3pr+QhGqF0GFaLFAX5MLv9apbA/j/Mt/xL5RvDB93DfsK/BOrbe XXTtVWLFqyVOE6iZgDY2D6Y85ia2rrd1Npmlo/AcO6n8I7z4ghZhDabB//xbjg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638595843; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UM2iXL3ki9ouhbsuK9E2Qafqmkpl8svrkFFNpAy98uKUmiGVEXb5y5eqs0hLTIGIIe37if UHqxoPL1oIDTynU28bwKNzwsc5pXOSBgmCa5ErcTgmb7/YkRMl+QMLdH4dHu1pJjySIq4h tsQA/rQgrv5NiJp2aJWwdQVO4MT6O/6+1qj5Wtl2KoIjmO8fFhNbQGEYVJHypJzKxSREHf nywJvupoCa+CeHUQSt6DGjZjhsxhDVQUgae/KLXpBMUqmzeApulza2S3nb0zGJRyRqiZ70 vBg9VtbvtazG/Jm+xKzQ/pscduvxcBi2eVfm6e+jWinLbEeMWPxbMoYZcHgmlg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Q1GfX1bn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Q1GfX1bn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4E2CF2D2BA X-Spam-Score: -4.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: CBiUAVwxaPtr Tom Gillespie writes: > I don't mean to be dismissive of the suggestion, but a lot of > time is spent on this list walking back ideas that have not > had sufficient time put into understanding what the > unintended consequences would be, so I wouldn't say > that it is irresponsible, I would say instead that it lacks > sufficient rigor and depth to be seriously considered. If you > can add those to this proposal (e.g. in the form of a patch) > then I suspect it would get a much warmer reception. I am afraid that I am explaining myself wrong, and it is not my intention that this matter becomes entangled to infinity. I have no intention of proposing any patch on this. I'm not strongly requesting this feature be included, and I am not interested in starting a crusade to defend this (and as for lack of rigor and depth, well, it's your subjective opinion). But it's more simple. Since a thread on these questions came up recently, it occurred to me to suggest this idea as a *possibility*, in case anyone could find it interesting and would like to explore it. Nothing more. In fact, I don't think I was going to use this probable feature much, if it was implemented, because for these scenarios I prefer to use Org macros or other resources that I have implemented for my workflow. But maybe users would prefer this to insert a zero-whith space character (which is a tricky and quite ugly workaround and should not be recommended). Or maybe not. I really don't know. I don't know all Org users in the world, do you know them? Anyway, I want to point out one thing, again. The scenarios and contexts that are being described here are far from "very narrow use case". And I don't think it's very appropriate to hide the lack of something with the excuse that no one is going to need it. Intra-word emphasis is used (for example) a lot in linguistics books and texts, grammars, etc. That you *ignore* this fact does not mean that does not exist. regards, jm