From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id qLhNEInes19AOQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 14:30:33 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id mNAcDInes19DRAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 14:30:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B3994050F for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 14:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58274 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf207-0003Fe-EC for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 09:30:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf1zK-0003FU-QD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 09:29:42 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:39707) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf1zI-0007vU-Qu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 09:29:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1605623371; bh=KoznLrPhcmughmCWjzFDGoHVw8cNT7D5gooz/kdfHi8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=fSphLXODf++Jf0DSETUkt4wk7ywtBioc598YPE9f8l61I/oX85xmD95anInVJCAF2 LPcK9wAgZvsNHzHRF5CpsL/KMUjdkVk2Po1nUsiAfFOAt4ebQrobh2/ANB6akuj+5m xa1YzBG26APc/nXSl67cPtRg/NiZie4ZDmBAPYBI= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from fluss ([80.136.19.238]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnjNH-1k3jxk2AZD-00hwqL; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:31 +0100 References: <2020-11-13T18-23-43@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <874klqew77.fsf@web.de> <20201115122154.50ad1503@linux-h0yu.fritz.box> <87tutq67ka.fsf@gmail.com> <87tutpvppm.fsf@kyleam.com> <871rgtwzrs.fsf@web.de> <87y2j1ahqf.fsf@gmail.com> <87v9e5uw2u.fsf@web.de> <87sg999g13.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0ukvotx.fsf@web.de> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" To: Stefan Nobis Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87blfwukdx.fsf@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:BtewOP8ZxN4T+uhFOKuS7QjtmvSCMaPrDQ/fyqVY1ayRGG1QTnb 8K4rsbLeM2cAOKuxCOX4Vn+7ESkp+4VZxqpO1q3RcY3/OJ8fzUeXLZdp5BAguzUTvp5jcXJ c78aE5AyR+gTXfXa4P9UoUflhiTuQBHmms/v+BZRTqxKuWNJA6qkhO6InJOnlWnmmu9NmXl zKVRRNMOzd5U+5mpbCWOg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:A+BCRHAh7WQ=:ghnQ4a8dSYuzsboysUSc+y dOLDYLUSgfBUpZNDMjzswuv7W5SNbSQIYKM0t1A9tJN7GdJZiUHmovBL2AilUyVla8WoWWDaU Pl3dg6qh0e4G6r2f1cWHLF3PgWvA63YOaA36X6jEYvTz08JtzXDc9qdohOpZEutLpvRojPGHV oEpK01JmHPYvWO4RHvJ9JTk4SpK3zuu69YBR0cKrs1xq6bmwy9X/AFnvu8k7UE6ED/YvZqZy7 CWrAQTizbxl/f7H0yT3Xh+kdzpNjJs/zoB5UkUcbiilCeUNd4PQVYsFi2A4deqwJFN0UBgZRM Yh5MwB0vKBtw51m95Fm0dZzrGiGEo84lSq9XyGDbmL4R8Kiiu04FiM2yMQQPyxFRoyZNVzp8n R4SzjjTpVKV00soIjr6FmD/TlQmcuq/HrzrlyjGIthnH5+JvGs0BABCwjDgWEvEWP/+R8Jll+ CGLktR/3dQDDWSCJCAUasXZe0IdvDJ6vlCVwbhsir1GYZ5bs6cONs7+jjq5ou5EENqMZk1mVY v6EadID8IeTXlV9o5ZYkeXB2j/HGDMyQqVX17ok05tg+wenGRbU2hSd7Lf3QD7leBfykaAhGx 21lelof78+5Zkr/tfxfKU+y4BpibgjfEe5qzWGhXzWTW+VB1t/NW88Uymul9Zu8wdiryD6R62 4rZr7dKOw2jNq/2Hnr5uoQAZCXdutkLthbx/y01QqcL+P1rL+xuSE/gTNTdcfXBiTx2ZOjCDi x8Gy8uaqlSeqObrSsli4y/CJUORtw/SF83sqjdk3zWnwGFpek/rfSAqghKC1stgcM3fKQoqnb kmHEKFXKBlcjuW8dtdvuAks/qJuotuhkl0YQtIq8eg8Yye9EalSMcPKTCZiqwqLvhdT8kgDHg 4XgL7R+ggdD06ZKn4XEQ== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.14; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/17 09:29:36 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=fSphLXOD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-TUID: h3orwvLD1CT2 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Nobis writes: > "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > >> Sad story short:... > > I'm with you - last weekend I upgrade my OS and had quite some trouble > to get everything working again and still have some nasty hoops to > jump through. > > But on the other side: =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6 > I'm really surprised that such a simple and insignificant breaking > change results in such a uproar. I have seen no uproar here. Discussions here were friendly and constructive. The discusssions are long, because there aren=E2=80=99t easy solutions to managing changes in UX in central places. And a significant share of the discussion was about the question whether the new interaction is better or worse and whether this actually is insignificant. Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAl+z3ksQHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD64gAEACdTG6+0GhO3aSFq/uQKIZ54IQN0JcGbD5u 3cQV/vgns6cBalXKSSmcwHVxUTmIJOR7Mixz0s98x4mZzb5w067bYyS2i+7apZoU kRWpmgpOfN3TqPwy/984b3FCutHEap6Uph9Lrd0mnbAO/Y42NqEQk6j9CYNIXxu6 R8vmsWHalesD9ZJbLqUnbsj0S9qvzTiQZjRO1+ChcudHkf/kpGPOVjCsDe7vd7v/ a0QhNM+yFnwN/Rvay5tH3BGIoAjiMlTMu+mCJuhRgkt9ew6qRLu+b6IUE85lMqyh PVIx5YiDxGtFEDgGG8B19upQdsThlkBGX6JxJAOWsS0F/VCkT1dHf3iteLqo7pdh kYppz5P+linU2NXt9V5g3RYFRKy9ltwZMB5iOdTtKvKpULWAsfc0aLWxY8Pwy3rk /6Cub/WA6zX54HeYuqpCpVDuOyLxfHxM8RidHaajDHiKo6aZ08dZz6zCaxoGELNW iDjocCA5vfMEJqMIuEHCCeBFlt0Y8ZF95lE1UjXeZANYV8D7jyqPnrdUIO1gwFio BfRnYQSbPjc4CsGukIEKvhemricJodvGK4P5RD8jBgdahcBoSlbYPzJ03C445nwB SyxBc6kjCgz6bJMGPOV6s52Tkug5w2ppYrDtjPhi3htDoiNwj5O9zwis03Dk9QO6 rn8gahGUp4jEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAl+z3ksQHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSMSGA/4kjeUdJFS4PCYPVq20vnP0oHcp RpoLhBrPOiAWtLzI93JTzhKmBcv4PHIW78DcdZ7v7mebBxkj6nlRNFLF1Qm6slDL g+X/+kDrDH1aTU4txpkdW1dY8drMiEfSoBbU0qO3UR5UgYk8D1RMO9oQCIONk3jm GueJ+DR9lX/C/H3nxQ== =jPLb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--