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In-Reply-To: <87mtaq95sr.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2022 10:35:16 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtaq95sr.fsf@localhost> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 08:39:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87bkr61tmw.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Ihor Radchenko writes: >> In general, Org contributors with push access can fix bugs directly, >> without announcing this on the mailing list. But *all other changes* >> should be submitted and discussed on this mailing list. > > Sure. It is always nice to have historical records on why certain > decisions have been made. It is not just to be able to keep track of discussions that led to decisions: it is also to be able to be as *inclusive* as possible. Of course, time and skills (and other psychological traits) are the main parameters deciding whether someone can participate to these discussions: but the more they take place on the mailing list, the more inclusive they are IMHO. (I know this opinion is debatable: most <30yo (<35yo) hackers out there will say that relying on a mailing list for such discussions wards them off, insisting we should go on GitHub... but *anyone* can send an email to a list, while only registered GitHub users can open an issue. We certainly don't want to encourage anyone to register on GitHub.) -- Bastien