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In-Reply-To: <877d1u4d13.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:10:16 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtaq95sr.fsf@localhost> <87bkr61tmw.fsf@gnu.org> <877d1u4d13.fsf@localhost> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:03:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87bkr3vhpn.fsf@bzg.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664104691; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Pqlp9zvxy/o7S9+PJ0QZJJvUYWpBDs0hFtOB2Ehf18E=; b=uR9ks9vebG45h/FNjsKOtLXbT7ad6OEYI76uBUJ7iMowpzyXH/xC95mzkcga+cj9Ead3XZ qAYUy+ugud1qpvCa4hezzpTF7lmzqtnEWVBeymg7nVm5sbo6w9K1dEF0goOOpiffrq5qyi D3hZJcUN24LvkXBpWaIWy0wdf7+kewpxvcYIPJO41EOHauWrnxsmTyGuWy5YmWkqBD992D YcOB7yCRtJjx9r74O4zbsQh+RQ58QauJhAAVF3X9lcWiVhu366wVii/VroWT+FxVN1Y1SM TRgdWi/AhLslQo2KUPVckYWr7huEAcu+G8dWxuRRtWEjMh1y3mNZBd/saIkHHQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664104691; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BqH4qKWdzqnIXAEvSvLeTLPTljpNur+1gg1t1LLH8TZ/zUKxekF/VBkWW3BHetY56S3GUG b09BI+q/pyuocrsWblJoLfkBQ3ii5+LEII0orBa6HXvYozy1p0GhKwSBxp7MXaIK/faome WzbOhSFa+8Ofo88mtpidLiP2rmu9GkrrehukX54edBf41Alv6PTzHsPI0INc8uLR0DSSdy zm46AQwODjygWQ9UqgZUCn65NxTIJWD3QQQD5m1hFREQz4UxojpsWOmw2A5MBdSiCs0Khj xPGuTwDXHfyh243lj0cmiUpPq3ugvmrX9Xet3rwgZf33MO+8CMl65ayQCbKNXQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=c8KYO2vx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=c8KYO2vx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2DBAE40F5E X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: AP08c2GfVhq9 Ihor Radchenko writes: > Familiarity is important. I agree with all what you said. > Ideally, it would be nice to > have ML front-end that looks similar to GitHub issues. I recall the > latest versions of mailman had somewhat familiar look. Sourcehut is also > trying to implement a web-based front-end (though is it not familiar at > all, unfortunately). Note that if the GNU project moves to using its instance of sourcehut, then we will also benefit from such a web-based front-end. > Note that the opposite to the above is not true. We should not prefer > familiar front-ends at the cost of sacrificing technical accessibility. Agreed again. Another parameter I put in the equation: what do we want? If our priority were to redirect reports made on r/org-mode and SO to the Org maintainers, then switching to GitHub would probably be a good move: users that feel comfortable sharing reports and ideas on these platforms would create more issues on GitHub than emails we currently receive on the list. I believe our priority should be to motivate more Elisp hackers to become Org maintainers. I expect potential candidates to be okay with the GNU recommendation of trying to avoid GitHub for ethical reasons and to be fine with working by email, the old way. Especially if we have maintainers for small files: they certainly don't want to follow everything in Org's development but agree to be cc'ed occasionally. 2 cts, -- Bastien