From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id sD2EEGq+VGA6JwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:08:26 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id aJNmDGq+VGCgUwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:08:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7260430115 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:08:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43270 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNGje-0008B1-OV for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:08:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNGiy-0008Ae-TM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:07:41 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:54371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNGiw-0004uL-UE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:07:40 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 218F12400FD for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:07:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1616166456; bh=8EehfzES2pEfT946g+AUFFFNqOShEMh8ovkIZ6d2Fpg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=bVuGENqY1Z+/cfuP441QYJ5u7iNb00IUuDFChApE+MCuSzwdkAJmvd037kBz1FpM5 gy5IkEVUDXU3HDNk6J9di71HiET77iQf8dJIjlUNEyfSxqy/il3BvXDFRZQsqlthUD F/VkmOsd8kDsTBKMUbr+B2MX0Spb6296EDU5L7hPwNlTJ15Y6UoSVoP7fPfCEXSaQl xc7hAhTMfbOzlSlSZecbrPoPa6HN13pqGDGi6olGD52QQf1ufngDMBkjQx5BDc23zc jCpo65urbnfHLvWV3KGSBlDJchEz8+Ww5nM9ICo7UeFFos2wbpygw43tsxEhTSzGvr OD515sX2FZ9dg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4F26h72PZtz9rxN; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:07:35 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: tomas@tuxteam.de Subject: Re: Syntax Proposal: Multi-line Table Cells/Text Wrapping References: <87o8fgwn9s.fsf@gmail.com> <9533dd41-ec81-43dd-8d25-a41300eb720c@gmx.com> <87czvw85ym.fsf@gmail.com> <8735wsdr08.fsf@posteo.net> <20210319080843.GA24268@tuxteam.de> <87ft0rzg5b.fsf@posteo.net> <20210319085339.GC24268@tuxteam.de> <878s6jzeer.fsf@posteo.net> <20210319101420.GA30401@tuxteam.de> <87o8ffxvmt.fsf@posteo.net> <20210319134333.GA6484@tuxteam.de> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:07:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20210319134333.GA6484@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:43:33 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6qzw5ah.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616166505; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=R4KdScTnIKbLO5WGDgGQ9NuDFNbAtDJopb0ML126kVQ=; b=CEy1WCD2QeHGzuyWFIDW7dJrMbfUSsB6YAZ1H0QtC1tnu4zkh8YXWJrfvPqZksRGkKeevG AQYRj2fYE3TvhFM7IHlypjR+ZpfjdbzMyUubJqaEYzOGRu6WeUqlMvENgqDGmA4kF3r6o0 +UQdLxpyKpKOfIXMQvZSmKoyfnfLkFkhJGj+KnH9LQvgvRSxtaZ0781peTkRl3SPfs4eu0 PPim+rXJ7DPDcJuooGxm0MhUDM8rZ27Xn/uKGkNxBCtg2bQvJHEutpFe6N+GanP2k6fkZ6 NBXpyG0CQSo+jjKZM9IwMMRiRVgf/73sMX4jVHN/lzLuy/ZqsgSaZFd9tsgbeA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616166505; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ClkXmSnNF0PXtdjHBg5bUK59jZtJPBl9rtz6BPV/ImxEZFYB0uhvZIjo6vtHkwXVFG6lT5 c4GGN8JI3x29VWBmkD4oyO4qfCmDXaceOll2ehd49AYCQceSh1734knQ3FWIECPCY+OGJz 8By+ugT/8Zp2+D+/Ea2yg7xa2mw1wisY48Yr9E6YBjV8CndIDTosjwefd/SCQ08Q6Eq1pa 21Kxm9LiQdOJcBp37/tEz7tJY9JfgNGrxZmEy2Ft13xTtNkk5TkAiB1CuvpBuZijhIVYt+ thS8noV5Y2KLbTIYmhiuKNGdlrtQNTArEaPACVMQNQyLaNF98fAF25Q39djw2w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=bVuGENqY; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=bVuGENqY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7260430115 X-Spam-Score: -3.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: laSPtKynsPzB tomas@tuxteam.de writes: > [...] My point was that it probably makes sense to separate concerns > here. Yes, that separation is essential. I agree. > That's right. OTOH, people will try to stretch it in every conceivable > direction. That's in a way Org's biggest strength (and at the same time > its biggest weakness :) Great truth! I always try to take things to the extreme :-D, and I continue thinking that Org is (among many other things) an excellent 'interface' for LaTeX (maybe the best). But I have to admit that a table with a lot of complexity is a special case when maybe you have to write LaTeX code, and get lost between all those & and backslashes, at least if the goal is the typographic refinement. The greatest power of Org resides in his lightness and in its chameleon versatility, but his worst temptation may be to become in a (poor) LaTeX 'translation'. Best regards, Juan Manuel