From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cJdsIjOxsmGmSgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 02:45:23 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id UK0gHjOxsmGHPwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:45:23 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 298D5AEC1 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 02:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52078 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUyP-0003fa-7h for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:45:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUx9-0003eN-4k for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:44:03 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUx8-00012A-Sb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:44:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUx8-000782-Gf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:44:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52399: 28.0.60; easier access to ORG-NEWS Resent-From: Kyle Meyer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52399 X-GNU-PR-Package: org-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mike Kupfer Received: via spool by 52399-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52399.163910060327346 (code B ref 52399); Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 52399) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2021 01:43:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45122 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUwU-000770-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:43:23 -0500 Received: from out1.migadu.com ([91.121.223.63]:64849) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUwS-00076r-2R for 52399@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:43:22 -0500 X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. 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The "Browse Org News" menu item (Org > Documentation > Browse Org > News) isn't adequate, because it takes you to orgmode.org. The package > description (C-h P org RET) has the same problem. If you're working > offline, orgmode.org is not going to be available. Also, it shows the > news for the latest release, which might not be what you have installed. > (The news for older releases is available at the bottom of the page, but > it could be confusing if you don't notice that the news that is first > presented is for a different release.) > > 2. I don't see a reference to ORG-NEWS in the Org mode section of the > Info pages, much less an easy way to get to it. These two look like something that would be dealt with on Org's side. This report has been reassigned there, so perhaps someone on the Org list will have thoughts or decide to work on a patch. > 3. The entry in NEWS for the Org mode update mentions ORG-NEWS, but it > doesn't say how to get to it. (Yes, I know how to get to ORG-NEWS from > NEWS. Do we expect random users to understand the layout of an > installed Emacs at that level of detail?) And I guess this one is for Emacs's side at the time of the sync. I was looking through the NEWS* files in the Emacs repo for guidance from other packages, but I see mostly the same thing ("GNUS-NEWS", "MH-E-NEWS", "ERC-NEWS", ...). I guess there is one that's a little different, though I'm not sure how helpful tacking on "./" is: "See the file ./MH-E-NEWS for details". Do you have any suggestions for what would be more helpful to put there?