From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id +JYjDJ7TgGMY+AAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:39:26 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id MCzZC57TgGMQFgEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:39:26 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE09146181 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:39:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyZqY-0008SV-1E; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 09:38:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyZqX-0008SF-1W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 09:38:29 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyZqU-0002Ue-RO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 09:38:28 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C926240104 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:38:21 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1669387103; bh=GmfgXpWA2BUZ1U0jkL2fzw4xbRCCPHpXEajXUMkzVHA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=IldLVZk0/UZBncVD1fS/zdAP0uC4j7MPa+Q4cgbbpVtPvj4MVHlGM8nfDa/G/IBLp 0eCQkXT0OhO4G3vANlEF193WhlOurJU4zHRoDXCNyEGsqPjIfOj7Tj27zQsEUhUi6q 30WTISI4YUPSkFQP+nNBt2ntt8i1qt74lEWY1GS6ogCUE0xa9kRYrdg91+z/u+7u/3 X1PM9VAh3L0nrnLWHHhJk2bwieYnUTZhnPtul2ga27INKiVRYY5bNennK7n8rVikfo nW34ElhBlVkdE97S0nCj5scg87xz4rnnitOsBfIIUTFvcUe6mZYd17aSI1H97VockM f64uhcVzFnc+Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NJct36yRFz6tqt; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:38:17 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: David Zelinsky Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: emphasis in embedded text In-Reply-To: <86y1rzelfk.fsf@rubiaceae.dedekind.net> References: <86y1rzelfk.fsf@rubiaceae.dedekind.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 14:38:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87a64f9jzy.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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I found in the manual the suggestion to use a zero-width space > character. That works, except that it turns out that by default emacs > actually displays the zero-width space as 1-pixel wide. That's not > noticeable in a paragraph. But in an org-mode table, it causes cell > boundaries to be slightly misaligned. And with more than one of these > in a row, it becomes more than slightly. That is very annoying. I can see this being very annoying. Another argument to implement proper pixel-precise table alignment. Meanwhile, I recommend https://github.com/casouri/valign > Before I found this, I also stumbled on suggestions (apparently > predating adoption of the zero-width space paradigm) to customize > `org-emphasis-regexp-components'. That actually works very nicely for > my purpose, so I'll probably stick with that. Please, don't use it. It is internal variable and changing it will break things. > But the point of this post is to suggest that the org-mode manual ought > to document these things more fully. The section (12.2 Emphasis and > Monospace) that mentions the zero-width space approach ought to also > mention that by default in emacs these are not actually zero width. > Something like the description in the linked post would be great. It should not matter ideally. Zero-width space is part of syntax and the way Emacs displays it usually does not matter. As I said, issues with non-fixed width symbols in tables should be fixed separately. > I don't know if this list is the right place to make such a suggestion. > Should I submit a bug report with some suggested modifications to the > manual? Or is this all documented somewhere already and I just didn't > find it? This list is the right place for discussions, patches, and bug reports. > ***NOTE***: I gather there's some controversy about the zero-width space > approach, especially in regard to exports. I very much don't want to > trigger that debate! I'm merely suggesting the manual say a bit more > about how things currently work, so others won't spend as much time as I > did figuring it out :) +1 -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at