From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: andre duarte bueno <bueno@lenep.uenf.br>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Export Org with Org concept -- Re: Problems with C-c C-e file.org,
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 12:06:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a63bsn53.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y6DTXFKUTVKcmQSr@protected.localdomain>
Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
>> > Apparently C-c C-e is capturing all events and not just keyboard
>> > events!
>
> That is not first complaint, right? I would say it is obvious that
> such interface is not user friendly.
Yes and no. Some users do not like it. Some users prefer the existing
one. Conclusion: even if we implement something better, it should be
backwards compatible.
>> This is because we use `read-char-exclusive'.
>
> Don't use what is blocking Emacs. Apart from Org mode I have never
> seen a package that blocks Emacs that I cannot even inspect keys.
gnus, reftex, ediff.
(I do not mean that we should not improve Org in this regard)
>> Alternative menu designs have been discussed in
>> https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/AM9PR09MB497743D21FA1C908392413F496D99@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com/
>
> I did not find anything on that link.
There is code prototype down in the thread.
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/AM9PR09MB49770F57F33859770649C7C896AF9@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com/
> Here is the concept of using Org similar buffers to export Org
> buffers:
>
> GNU Emacs package: rcd-org-export.el -- use Org to export Org:
> https://gnu.support/gnu-emacs/packages/GNU-Emacs-package-rcd-org-export-el-use-Org-to-export-Org-76272.html
>
> It is made for you, as concept, as I have already mentioned the
> concept before months.
>
> In general, this is Org mode, so why not use Org mode to export Org
> mode?
>
> See the video demonstration:
>
> https://gnu.support/files/emacs/packages/rcd-org-export/2022-12-19-23:36:10.ogv
Thanks for the effort, but I'm afraid that it is not something we want in
Org core from maintenance perspective. Would be welcome as a third-party
package though.
Why:
1. Your package is introducing a new formatting for menus and new
interaction paradigm. This is not backwards-compatible.
If we add the package like yours into Org core, it will mean
maintaining yet another piece of menu code in Org. Org is already
huge and maintaining a separate menu package _in addition_ to all the
existing staff is not a good idea.
2. We are moving towards removing menu-specific code from Org in general
in favour of the existing menu frameworks. In particular, we plan to
change Org menus to use transient. See
https://orgmode.org/list/8c364693bf6856e60cdd3e8b63ab0c9284d16733.camel@heagren.com
Note that transient allows menu buffer navigation (C-s)
3. Ideally, we should also adopt the existing menu layouts using
transient. If not possible, we should consolidate the menu code into
a separate simple library. Something just enough to replicate the
existing functionality. With minimal maintenance. The thread I linked
is one of such efforts.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-25 12:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-17 20:57 Problems with C-c C-e file.org andre duarte bueno
2022-12-18 14:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-19 21:10 ` Export Org with Org concept -- Re: Problems with C-c C-e file.org, Jean Louis
2022-12-25 12:06 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-12-25 15:43 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-26 10:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 15:58 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-27 10:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-31 1:08 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-12-31 6:19 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-01 14:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-02 5:58 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-01-02 11:07 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-03 9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-03 10:01 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-01-03 12:15 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-03 12:36 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-01-05 11:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 14:41 ` Alain.Cochard
2023-01-05 15:00 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-05 15:18 ` Alain.Cochard
2023-01-05 20:37 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-01-05 18:50 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-05 15:43 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-01-04 11:08 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-05 11:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 19:19 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-06 3:51 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-07 9:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-07 18:34 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-07 19:12 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-12 15:43 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-13 9:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-04 18:03 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-05 11:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-05 19:37 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-06 3:24 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-07 20:07 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-08 16:42 ` Max Nikulin
2023-01-07 9:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-04 17:51 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-04 16:53 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-20 16:56 ` Problems with C-c C-e file.org Jean Louis
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