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Fri, 05 Jan 2024 11:08:09 -0800 (PST) References: <87cyug4ye1.fsf@gmail.com> <87il486jyv.fsf@localhost> <87il47libr.fsf@westdri.ca> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.8; emacs 29.1 From: Marie-Helene Burle To: Ihor Radchenko , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [BUG] org-element-at-point: Throw an error when not in org-mode [9.7-pre (release_9.6.15-1033-gd8586f @ /home/marie/.emacs.d/straight/build/org/)] Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2024 11:07:37 -0800 In-reply-to: <87il47libr.fsf@westdri.ca> Message-ID: <87a5pjlht3.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42b; envelope-from=mhburle@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.77 X-Spam-Score: -7.77 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E6A013517D X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: cFcAdfivr2kl Note: actually, reading that Reddit thread again, it appears that multiple = persons were doing this and they regret loosing the use of org functions in= non-org buffers so much that they decided to pin org to 9.6... Marie Marie-Helene Burle writes: > Hi Ihor, > > Thank you for your reply and your explanations: very useful to learn how = the system works =F0=9F=99=82 > > Prior to org 9.7, I used to use `org-meta-return` everywhere to nicely ad= d elements to a list. Whether in mu4e, markdown, or anywhere, typing: > > - item1 > > Would nicely give me: > > - item1 > - > > Not a big deal you will say. But I liked the behaviour. > > I know that org functions (with the exception of > `org-open-at-point-global` and maybe a few others intended to work > everywhere) are only supposed to work in org buffers. But many > functions actually used to work outside of org, even if that was never > intended. I took advantage of that =F0=9F=98=84 > > So, indeed, not a bug and probably nothing you want to worry about. I'll = just have to learn to live without those nice little org behaviours in non-= org buffers. > > Note that the Reddit thread I linked in my prior email suggests that I > am not the only one who took advantage of this. I don't know what org > function that other user was using in non-org buffer, but it used to > work and stopped in 9.7. > > Deep thanks for all the work, > > Best, > > Marie