From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sean Sieger Subject: Re: Documentation wishlist items Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: <878wgfwyn1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <9cd2f5ff0909151421r25e4c7afn8d609e76e2462193@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnhtC-0002zT-9T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mnht6-0002zG-Sy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51157 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mnht6-0002zD-QN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:44 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:55444) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mnht6-0007lr-6z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:56:44 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Mnht3-0006sw-G0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:56:41 +0200 Received: from pool-68-161-27-36.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.161.27.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:56:41 +0200 Received: from sean.sieger by pool-68-161-27-36.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:56:41 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Ethan writes: Thanks for the mail Ethan. I approached Org ... I don't know, a few years ago having really really taken advantage of Outline. I promptly made a mess, trying things I thought I needed to and went back to Outline and organization that was natural to me. The experience helped me formulate goals and I came back to Org only weeks ago armed with fairly precise ideas. The fundamental problem is that org-mode isn't a planner, it isn't an organizer. It's a toolkit full of tools which people use differently, in lots of ways, to build their own planner/organizer. To understand org-mode, you have to understand all of the tools available, and the options you have for each, and the ways they interact with the other tools. Nah, to understand what Org can do for me, I needed to understand myself and my limitations. In my opinion, the documentation doesn't explore the interactions well enough, it doesn't present the tools in an order that is conducive to learning, and it never explains why you might choose one option of tool instead of another. Right. That documentation has evolved in the little time I've been reading it. It does explain, and so does this list that the fundamental ... um, primary action is to quickly Capture. That's how I came to Org this time---getting a ~/.notes file going. Capturing fleeting thoughts and appending them to that file and then discerning what and how to organize them. [...] I wish I could offer more concrete improvements in the form of patches and so on! Maybe as I learn more about org-mode I can do this too, but I wanted to offer this criticism while it was still fresh in my mind. ... Just captured something my six year-old daughter said on the phone. I should concentrate on her. I'll do (remember's bound to it) several more times in talking with her.