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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: 0.39 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=liveuclac.onmicrosoft.com header.s=selector2-liveuclac-onmicrosoft-com header.b=SQLx/Ocg; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=ucl.ac.uk (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 2001:470:142::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [0.39 / 13.00]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.49410703530993]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; MX_INVALID(1.00)[cached]; DWL_DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:from]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.17), country: US(-0.00), ip: 2001:470:142::17(-0.49)]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:142::/48:c]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[liveuclac.onmicrosoft.com:+]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.69.235.250:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:2001:470:142::/48, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[liveuclac.onmicrosoft.com:s=selector2-liveuclac-onmicrosoft-com]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[liveuclac.onmicrosoft.com:dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:from]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[ucl.ac.uk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed),none] X-TUID: eUgW5iKyvqBK On Thursday, 30 Apr 2020 at 17:11, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal > with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also > be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS > file. Yes, this is a good suggestion: anything that makes it easier for users new to org is welcome and anybody else can easily change the default. -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.6-555-ge68ae4