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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616418337; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Qi+JiEP0xqTX/fq2SstlgF/5shsivASPWF0YNj5HYkE=; b=peRiukkU+qZlVIVVFoE2P2wNKmVwtUYEKJVrpi0zJ3ElXgCxFyTHTp3fZ3kZbDnw+pyLIv b/TQ7t/OR2c7GF7xhJMytf2mXWDuYj6mQFqL5qsjwSLs/dk3NwgXFCQuhhxuHkqeOOy0ly Lh3IeM0MsuUPkn8gr+D/oY5SPjULpCBItT+fF6xYAzfjtuM9G2MO+G1V6q/KErAWj7fnDs gAOD1207+mFloWj6uY2WXU7uw6QedTr5scS8Owaclk0PtAdD9KJ6Is+O768Qeae6VYRUrv QRK1PP7gFyt6jEfRvRkLBpHnWdDk6+TuUzWRkcIbW1omQFJw6H4kay/d+LLVmg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616418337; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nwWhNyVqqC/htNeqN9mqtg6M1MbZ7SoaoPuWrhHBPmj7LhurGgkoHqMLj9Rl501ajVPpul 45v1mypadn9byTByDoe7MuCpVP1b36gKNBRPlqDNwUTPJ7hyHgp40o8NvJ2hsDfMiO4uiF 6yyN00HLoeIZ9QetedRJvl8v6ip744FE1Gmj5LqRiIzDJtLhsU+ml5sLOWpFWorMBeJU93 uGi0ZqhPpfv3tVrHeBBWemJJxQmhg3Bie8ScqV7LIjBwx0iEqmvY9iVc/MZzoGkK52a6jP YsE3sQSon0MnGHtsEn/v5PyTUxsP7eb61MumqODt9jVUYm33H356+5eSEJp2TA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=jrZ7p1F4; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.68 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=jrZ7p1F4; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A56C91943E X-Spam-Score: -2.68 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 0s5M4zlFCy4X On Fr 19 M=C3=A4r 2021 at 13:33, Eric S Fraga wrote: > With respect to the topic at hand, I believe it's the result of the same > tendency that Excel users have of using spreadsheets (aka tables) for > everything, something I hate when I'm given some Excel sheet that I need > to modify and where entries are huge paragraphs. The UI in Excel is > horrible for these types of tables. I would hate to see org go in the > same direction. +1 for that Unfortunately I have to deal with this type of people at work. > In many cases, I believe that a simple text based database format would > be more appropriate. I wonder if the time would be better spent > providing native support for GNU recutils [1] in org instead. recutils has an emacs mode an I think it even has some sort of org-mode integration. 'Andreas