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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Noboru Ota <me@nobiot.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Introducing Org-transclusion
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:22:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rxrdu46.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874k8j3egt.fsf@nobiot.com>

Noboru Ota <me@nobiot.com> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Try to open the attached file and run M-x org-transclusion-add-all
>
> Thank you. I see. Not even org-transclusion-add-all but a single add
> function takes a bit of time.

> 1. I see it as an issue rather of recursive transclusions (transclusions
> inside a transclusion) than of overlay. Do you agree?

Do you mean that the #+tranclusion keyword is located inside the
transcluded headline? I agree (though I did not really think about it
when creating the file).

> 2. If it is a recursion, I would like to somehow avoid it altogether by
> "skipping it" before going into a loop.  I thought I had done part of
> it; apparently, it's not enough.  Do you have some suggestions how other
> programs might deal with this type of issues?  I feel that many pieces
> of software have done so...

I am not very sure if I understand you correctly. AFAIU, the main
problem here is that #+translude lines may expand into Org elements that
change the element structure (e.g. when #+transclude is a low-level
headline, it breaks current headline section). You may probably need to
handle "headline inside headline" or "element inside non-greater
element" transclusions specially.

> 3. If it is an overlay issue, do you have suggestions what sort of
> methods are available within Emacs?  

My example is certainly not an overlay issue. I did some performance
debugging. Most of CPU time was spend on org-element-parse-buffer.

For overlay issues, the alternative is text properties.

> 4. This file does not seem realistic for me as a user who use Emacs for
> writing -- but I see this sort of testing can be useful for avoiding
> potential issues.  How important do you think it is to tackle this type
> of "hypothetical" issues as a package developer?  It's a question of
> priority for me.  I do not feel that I have sufficient knowledge and
> skill set to tackle it right now; if the priority is not so high, I think
> I would leave it (for now, but this "for now" would be for a long time).
> If priority is high, I would need to ask for some help with even framing
> the problem so that we can somehow tackle it.

It is not very important. I did not think about recursive issue when
created the file. Mostly wanted to create a random large file.

You may find
https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Replying-to-Mail
helpful.

Best,
Ihor


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-14  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-30 11:51 Noboru Ota
2021-10-30 12:31 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-11-01  9:17   ` Noboru Ota
2021-10-30 13:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-01  9:11   ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-01 13:24     ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-06 10:43       ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-08 15:07         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-10 21:09           ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-14  8:22             ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2021-11-14  9:35               ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-01 20:07     ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-11-01 21:01       ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-02  5:17     ` Timothy
2021-11-05 19:53       ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-05 21:56         ` Tim Cross
2021-11-05 23:20           ` Timothy
2021-11-06 10:14             ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-06 10:22               ` Tim Cross
2021-11-06 11:49                 ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-05 17:11 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-05 19:24   ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-05 20:15     ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-05 23:02       ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-06 14:01         ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-06 14:25         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-06 14:54           ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-06 15:49             ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-07  7:34               ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-07  8:07                 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-07  8:30                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-07 13:25                     ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-07 13:41                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-07 13:56                         ` Uwe Brauer
2021-11-05 19:59   ` Noboru Ota
2021-11-05 20:13     ` Uwe Brauer

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