From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id YOjUN/kjomEOJQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:26:33 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id cOt1M/kjomG6PgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:26:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47AC81673C for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:26:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57328 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqwmk-0000is-BV for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:26:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38986) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqwmJ-0000ij-DY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:26:03 -0500 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:56808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqwmC-00060I-3B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:26:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9602FE6DA1; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:25:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZFR9gcVL6ky; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:25:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (178235147228.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.228]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67A01E61C2; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:25:35 +0100 (CET) References: <87zgpx92sq.fsf@mbork.pl> <87o86aq9qd.fsf@mbork.pl> <87czmoqlzg.fsf@mbork.pl> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 28.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Samuel Banya Subject: Re: A mobile clocking solution? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Charles Berry Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638015992; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=GTkHPhLWqsXfFBQDbL/8ZYZDwPu1NODI4r84bMJzjWc=; b=Tk3rhDzZm3pf/2Oe4VGiYrttlbbdbG/XfJKlVwtg5swmHgOHRzNebSiQth9KfMrzoXfZkt EXOCvdZMTSTG1udtHrEGn5LYtLLkMxriS++3knHS5vOSEdEjCNhtTRWac3/3S8qFio5UvA rrhFXgqH40uqzgcQys1yr92/BrhsqQFWtE1QkgbCJy8/f3jAX8htbJcZzgxTcRPk6b/rsm fLPoL+RDIVUXprIe7LjoG8vYkIsGSneTIkCb6ksTWb0aiCVvU6Sf8jZzFtXEjtUycnfzOk zvdqJFNCuOreQHO4OJvvUghbIS1+bQaAmCOsQdT6ifOJK3b9gekXtP2kcGJ6Vg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638015992; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=b1BuEGdK7kgl3TOEn1YGesX0x4ziVm7Y/uvaVvT3DVvP/eK3E5PSVzpoeOMy5Ro682QuXw Jnj7QBrsN39SEVzfbdpWHvs6TiAWSEdGubL7CNAGiM4Db4xBU9RurW1Nydv5yJmbfYYgMb jqlBwqoANjpTx0rnDRUKa7G9u+X81cDhMIE6onDSAaoyBz7pdtRDxPesbzl7JpvZDtdImo OedfJYIyYVFSBPHbzmL3QBM3Qhq8WbLH0HGkfT3NCmmZ4OnLB4pX5p6nYfWS8E9OsfZGWP oYpgjxXNUThwmHaPBWhnIaJ7wzQSuzFVASG/zAy0unlU7lCxhMVfxScOP/OTaA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 47AC81673C X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: jpFaPx/DKxTG On 2021-11-26, at 22:16, Samuel Banya wrote: > Hey Marcin, > > There are a few options that exist, so I'm going to drop a few ideas in this email. > > *"Buy A Rooted Phone" Option:* > Why not just get a rooted Android phone with Replicant on it from eBay in the first place? > > Then, you can use Termux to ssh into a local or cloud VPS file server where you're hosting your .org files. Most people even use Dropbox (or SyncThing, whatever floats your boat). > > Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal version of Emacs on the rooted Android phone (or even your current non-rooted phone), and clock in like that. Well, doesn't that have the same security issue I mentioned? > If you're on iOS though... well... maybe its time to get out of the walled garden? Of course not. > *"Just Use A Laptop" Option:* > I'd say maybe just get a laptop, put some decent Linux distro on it, and use Emacs on that instead. Out of question. I need this exactly for the times when I cannot use my laptop. > Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal version of Emacs on the rooted Android phone, and clock in like that. > > *Bash Script Approach:* > The only other thing I could think of is to do this via an easy Bash prompt to find the same files on the ssh machine. This might be preposterous to those on the list that might want to use Elisp for everything, but maybe its on a device where a Linux Bash terminal just is present by default. That /could/ be a solution. > *"Just Log The Time Later" Approach:* > You could always even just make org capture templates to estimate time later too. And I think this is the way to go. Probably also use/write some very simple time tracking app on the phone. > *Summed Up:* > The most sane approach in my opinion, is just use a computer that can normally just use Emacs as-is. > > Then again, this is coming from someone who respects the "Getting Things Done" method a ton, but doesn't clock in every single personal task, because I think its really unnecessary and tedious. I think this kind of clocking ideas are better suited for work based todo lists if you're trying to get things done for work or something. I don't clock everything either, but there are some things that I do, and that's why I want a reasonable mobile solution. > I've seen the Android apps for Emacs Org Mode demo'd on YouTube, and it looks clunky. Its nice for what it is, but yeah, I think Emacs overall is just better suited for a laptop or desktop computer since you really need to just use a keyboard to pull off most of the magic. Of course. I don't need Org editing etc. (well, maybe capture), just the clocking. That seems easy enough on mobile (UI-wise).. > Good luck with this though, Thanks! -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl