From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id iHy0KGarLmNOAAAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:01:58 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id 2LC3KGarLmOFIAAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:01:58 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4136228AD5 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:36652 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1obzAi-00049o-OJ for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 03:01:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1obz9E-00044n-U9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 03:00:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1obz9E-0002te-2j; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 03:00:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=HA79XEtp/q/2VRJpSzZAH/HoR3X6Ocd491wNUmujPwY=; b=cI+YS1SGODf7U+g8jloH Ts38d4t20HgwD2l9CWTiXQuer0vcInRTtbnsKkz4+UM0Pt0C+0cotFrWEsRRKwJqu84csyhXOuUvG Jyb9ZTEW0wUtJOQLbr10nE/0YJShGro6uBvXWE6JjquvHIcleqR2mTY4i6Ig0DmFx/uFHepl0JBoL z7PzMEUsbdch1Zf2jw6jTj5Hb5rMxGc4u+xsYGmlk2wT51L9pjgKT7LFD3f3j4+GI6dDCdwsZEmq1 vpV0lJPSDRRwwLzPwv1PPdeb3ndj/ZI2DuyOU23I+/bSTPQcRiyqAUb6wHHqMHj4cp6jCeeB6615F hZ8GVmgz5RassQ==; Received: from 96.52.140.77.rev.sfr.net ([77.140.52.96]:32974 helo=hal) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1obz9D-00078c-Mq; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 03:00:23 -0400 Received: by hal (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1A9641E040E; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:00:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Timothy Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done In-Reply-To: <87leqa816j.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> (Timothy's message of "Sat, 24 Sep 2022 00:59:26 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87tu4z2uil.fsf@bzg.fr> <87leqa816j.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:00:21 +0200 Message-ID: <878rm92r5m.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664002918; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=HA79XEtp/q/2VRJpSzZAH/HoR3X6Ocd491wNUmujPwY=; b=uraIlUIVMtI+g4/U+xNmzW2pGD5m9qMLKxr4ALywtsegRx8tgIT/osa+hvV1wNZNp7BI4h Oi5JPeVb7dGp1u9mxOZGuswY+LHnITm4n+gGOpOPnVqmIqmVco58D7qMad4UzZaqDSJd/j qVjFj5ERXdQ22AVvzBmgT6tEVm3RqtvMaFm+at+n2s6gOZzNi18DinbJaPfltkggW9DnFF Pm8Om0isuZbSNUG4F1WM0vhmrmVHfFvktzotyNucX4I6pz4tRejnKaZItwhArkYfHibRyO NQlqUFPT583VctPKZOKNJ7pf4xvC1DZRgG4qPA+FZv6im9feukM4DKwtP3DQqA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664002918; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FxXMseLWat/4n1CWFzCi6UI7erR1nJvVRa0wjYqlrkDO2ksBxZhW3e++mTLyziYj2pwzxE 5p0yUACB4JDAo9FpROyMm3LQk3qfl/RD1Q7sZfRZ1tGcd9wdn0JL6GSma+um6xYq4jSIo4 ccGLS7J0LoM8H/Q8sluACu1fmfL5eVlSzfi2CmCSbiZWpfk+k8TlUPijeHXZNXrzQwmxBT znl+qJDdjVhGIUsrQlRrNHFEod9OuzM6ThFIFdFd61V4LyaaTmSDOlrtIMPcYcQ6dLjhhh 0YZe2/JsmXQzwJ4avwjtJF+7P/f2E2QLdq6K5nOCrHMWnC5n/DaWV51FeR9ACQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=cI+YS1SG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=cI+YS1SG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4136228AD5 X-Spam-Score: -3.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ODJpdOCvauoo Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: > I think we=E2=80=99d want people to see this, and so I=E2=80=99d actually= be inclined to make > the =E2=80=9Cbug report=E2=80=9D button link to this page, and the feedba= ck button just be a > `mailto:' link. Done! > For what it=E2=80=99s worth, I personally consider stuffing lines of =E2= =80=9Cimportant!=E2=80=9D text > into that =E2=80=9Cwhat is Org?=E2=80=9D banner ultimately counterproduct= ive. I think it fails > to provide the information with enough context (e.g. `M-x org-submit-bug-= report > RET' doesn=E2=80=99t provide the information provided on the Feedback.htm= l page), and it > also muddies the structure of the page while making it appear more clutte= red. IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. Best, --=20 Bastien