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[203.173.25.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m18sm712730pjl.14.2020.04.30.16.42.14 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:42:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <874kt1atzh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.3; emacs 27.0.91 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'? In-reply-to: <874kt1atzh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Message-ID: <877dxwfsmk.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 09:42:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102e.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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It isn't that much text, and the annoying > folding that org does for what amounts to a simple README file is > gratuitous at best. > > it struck me that our default value for `org-startup-folded', which > t (or `overview') may not be nice for people not used to Org. > > It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal > with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also > be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS > file. > > Even though I think `overview' is a nice value, the logic behind my > suggestion is that it is easier for an Org user to set > `org-startup-folded' once and for all than for a non-Org user to > discover Org folding the hard way. > > WDYT? > > Regards, +1 from me. -- Tim Cross