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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [feature request] A new cookie type [!] showing the last note taken
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:24:39 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877dt2j86g.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfhjm4nl.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>

>> You are right. I missed that \\ is also a newline for LaTeX export.
>
> It is a line break in any export back-end.

I did not know this and I cannot find any reference about such behaviour
in manual (info:org#Markup for Rich Contents).

>> However, it is unused it unordered lists. We might define a note as a
>> unnumbered list item with [@note]:
>>
>> - [@note] This is note
>
> That's a reasonable syntax extension, maybe too English-centered. Maybe
> a more abstract [@!] would be better.

It also looks better for me.
Should I open separate bug report proposing this syntax extension?

>> In addition, all the list items in :LOGBOOK: drawer may be considered
>> notes (to avoid a need to change the current format of the
>> automatically added notes).
>
> Notes are not necessary stuffed into a LOGBOOK drawer, or even into
> a drawer at all. Besides, LOGBOOK is a common word, and it is not
> unreasonable to think some user could have used it for other purposes.
>
> Old notes are going to be incompatible (as in ignored by any tool
> processing notes, not invalid markup) with the new ones. I don't think
> there's a way to eschew it. It doesn't seem to be a big deal, however,
> as you don't lose anything by keeping notes in old syntax around.

That said, if we decide about the new syntax, it might be a good idea to
provide command converting items inside LOGBOOK drawers into notes.

Best,
Ihor

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> You are right. I missed that \\ is also a newline for LaTeX export.
>
> It is a line break in any export back-end.
>
>> Another possibility is re-purposing counter definition from ordered
>> lists. Currently the "\\[@[0-9]+\\]" is used to force item number in
>> ordered lists:
>>
>> 1. item
>> 5. [@5] another item
>> 6. next item
>>
>> However, it is unused it unordered lists. We might define a note as a
>> unnumbered list item with [@note]:
>>
>> - [@note] This is note
>
> That's a reasonable syntax extension, maybe too English-centered. Maybe
> a more abstract [@!] would be better.
>
>> In addition, all the list items in :LOGBOOK: drawer may be considered
>> notes (to avoid a need to change the current format of the
>> automatically added notes).
>
> Notes are not necessary stuffed into a LOGBOOK drawer, or even into
> a drawer at all. Besides, LOGBOOK is a common word, and it is not
> unreasonable to think some user could have used it for other purposes.
>
> Old notes are going to be incompatible (as in ignored by any tool
> processing notes, not invalid markup) with the new ones. I don't think
> there's a way to eschew it. It doesn't seem to be a big deal, however,
> as you don't lose anything by keeping notes in old syntax around.
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou


  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-10  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-29  6:40 Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-30  8:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-08-30 10:40   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-30 11:03     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-08-30 12:18       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-30 12:57         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-08-30 14:58           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-31  2:26           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-31  8:42             ` Julius Müller
2020-08-31 11:55               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-31 14:58             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-09-02  2:02               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-03  9:16                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-09-05  5:52                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 14:00                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-09-10  9:24                       ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2020-09-13 13:09                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-09-14 19:49                           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-09-05 22:14 ` Allen Li
2020-09-06  1:23   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-06 18:16     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-01-17 15:38 ` Christopher Miles
2021-01-18  2:07   ` Ihor Radchenko

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