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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658647433; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Vk9SedXmQM/nE7eI7KrsurPAoRYVGHUaXyAmBL9pYH4=; b=GNF61tgjMcdfseVarn/ImKNbRouuJGVybNyqDGcVno6uGA9UoRBllK+uyxYzL8vJuQLOwO Co/TXLFg8PIbn7sOYyDV0YzIBWul45d8vDf4WG5hZa7glIrIUda3IfwvfOnK4qry5iXRYm 7AU1oPmeA/X3YIMRpEQnnVKU9fR/nnMcmridYLPDyIrzC9hVrn9oiyqcikuwP0OlZTLR1k qVvH6MxrBIAiIWF3RP2d7zFhSgHADAqouI8nEhTyzqW0Nf7RKbWwlLb6fcwHCiy4CFL4eY GqdcxyEsLfpevFTV42Iv5llmC0oe9Oe4Q/pqGVP45mTLLTAOUne/e95cZx5MfQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658647433; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FuDd4TdWNKHHPZxu6iUMZrCTaxX/bmjTKNTVz3oUXHku8w1vIShOWpw1gOcMigv2xj2/H9 88Qe/9WaWKDB8NFWG6QmoEKVA7UeK8a67onZ6OXGJpaOVs6I074QVD50JGO5ouxEfTU8Vu m9evqdVg5LXO3XfYdw+xSfkr158DVQL0AvEZqZLQ4FieUvc8639L4DQ9jIFEq0Li+N9yhW ATnpPhhziQTlVmNz/7WE6J/Jz+yGc/5yzn6Kj8uCsDVQeAMCbIEGc6BXUizXI9JsrKKdK1 1vuk+VDSTujG76PNg+UATcSzGPbOOQczx8jQenhT0xaSWlegTZA3H8aZVJTokg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="K8Y7Ym/M"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.93 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="K8Y7Ym/M"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E0443127D6 X-Spam-Score: -1.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Og/Q7jqknDM9 Max Nikulin writes: > On 23/07/2022 12:01, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: >>=20 >>> Here is a new version of the patch, with the fixes added. >>=20 >> Thanks! Considering that the followup discussion deviated from the >> substance of the patch towards related design issues, > > I believed that the subject of discussion is how much values should be=20 > added to the alist in addition to babel and polyglossia options:=20 > fontenc, paper size, etc. Adding things like paper size is a much more debatable topic. Considering the number of expected developments in this area, including the earlier discussion on XeLaTeX/LuaTeX and preamble generation by TEC, adding the new specific defaults will need to be a subject of extensive discussion and testing. I do not see much point delaying this patch, which provides an immediate improvement in the codebase, until we complete all that. > I hope, not so much third party packages use the changed variables, so=20 > committing the patch can hardly be harmful even in the case of=20 > additional change of the list format in future. This alist is rather internal variable representing current defaults. I am not even sure how it can be useful for third-party packages. It should not be modified by packages either (defconst). Best, Ihor