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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1680108691; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PeMxF+hsbjNTmspiT+nbMF7JJMvlI8PvwJWY2VGFE/QHBS23IxAG7XwbyUQYx62lA1SvXJ pNmEcl2fgaamGijZbASqHD8RlLA1CKCvvAvmK9fR9EBsWhvua+wEsdmyg4OyMBAod+ANks sDErp3fMNikjkpRNbvJJryoVxi0V/ejeXJyjvsPVMnrCCGKikBkbvqALhYvqYlymG0Mv9o 8ciHehtUXa2Ci8Ii3uc1JHk14TD4c7TrKdnnoh0L6tAj6VfZlulSCQxoHUY4wGBaIcOTrR KmLr4Yw8dFCmcZsqotPcmsnoMTbj7swsTHvWgCCDovj0PO+AGDOtL99SRL1BXg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=NlOclPli; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1680108691; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=3Am/i5wErW/M8DVcCHyEJldaYkhq0ukPrh8BpD/4qHE=; b=FXQKw7p32+QlkbaxofnC4Q8aG244LX5VL0oS6jglgNphvI1bF840t4M8SUh2ovCRwHH6vw KFO4eALaFELLoMDQjal7nim5AO0aTA3CV0dUFiEewBEbbN9ui+d/YJP46vyXQvTyAsTR3s /LAxUXAFn41F/4snigrHxK/wg9+gbIVZ9ovaAEHc9G0PctSDUcFOhn5I+ukV3jFdXUFElo of4Nkmm0ahGM+6QBUaQOOt6a9tBR4+rFlo2p58/z7u8IgWfTW672oBXo+Xgwx2yAzZfw9o bDamZOea4kXMrB2BVtDSvag3axKnnppb2/K3NqTBhhDSfil3RW7YFnkU5rJQPg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.54 X-Spam-Score: -6.54 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D116C103BE X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=NlOclPli; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: P5aGo10CcNVq Max Nikulin writes: > On 29/03/2023 20:38, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> Even though we identified that the problem is related to a combination >> of old Emacs version and OS-specific Emacs customization > > Ihor, who should notice improvement due to this patch? Is it related to > Emacs-29.1 release? The issue is weird, but on the other hand I do not > remember complains on the mailing list last months (besides some period > close to the Org release). > > Sorry, I have not tried to compile Emacs myself and I am really puzzled > why you was not able to reproduce the issue. So from my point of view it > is unlikely related to distribution-specific configuration or patches. > Changes related to `package--reload-previously-loaded` sound more > reasonable for me. I was able to reproduce on Debian using virtual machine. Also, several people were able to reproduce in Matrix when I asked them. And we got one report from Fedora user. + Several from Ubuntu users. Recently, there was also https://old.reddit.com/r/orgmode/comments/123qnqq/workaround_for_orgassertversion_problem_not/ It is natural that we are getting fewer reports away from the release, after most people upgraded Org. Now, most of the affected users are the new users trying to install Org after installing Emacs. These users are much less likely to report bugs. > I am in doubts if emacs version should be checked or it should be e.g. > (fboundp 'org-assert-version). It is indeed a cleaner approach. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at