From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: are super-hidden technical blocks required? Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:23:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87628vxapb.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48159) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sygw0-0003Ur-5q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:22:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sygvz-0005NK-3n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:22:44 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:63750) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sygvy-0005N9-KJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:22:43 -0400 Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so3019559wey.0 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:22:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Torsten Wagner's message of "Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:12:48 +0900") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: Org Mode Mailing List Torsten Wagner writes: > So how to satisfy both views, a clutter free view and the awareness of > what is saved in your file? I think we must untangle two issues here: one is about the visibility by itself (what should be visible, invisible, how visible, how invisible?) and the other one is about cycling (changing visibility interactively.) For example, if a user wants to consider that a drawer doesn't make an entry non-empty while cycling, this can be done, avoiding cluttering the with stuff you don't want when cycling. But that's a different problem than the one of visibility /by itself/. I know I'm making the question even more complex, but that's hopefully just a temporary step in this discussion. -- Bastien