* Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
@ 2012-10-24 14:31 Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-24 14:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-12-18 11:50 ` Bastien
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From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2012-10-24 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
#+TITLE: Filling comments
#+LANGUAGE: en
* Context
I've stopped using FillAdapt in Org files, and do not suffer any particular
problems, except this one (though, certainly unrelated).
* Problem
When trying to refill the comment directly in the following code block
(staying in the Org file), it has *no effect*.
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; a single space does end a sentence. But this sentence is the longest I could write...
(setq-default sentence-end-double-space nil)
#+end_src
FYI, C-h k M-q gives:
╭────
│ M-q runs the command fill-paragraph, which is an interactive compiled
│ Lisp function in `fill.el'.
│
│ It is bound to M-q.
│
│ (fill-paragraph &optional JUSTIFY REGION)
│
│ Fill paragraph at or after point.
╰────
* Workaround
- Open it in a temporary buffer (via C-c ')
- Re-run M-q anywhere on the comment
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; a single space does end a sentence. But this sentence is the longest I
;; could write...
(setq-default sentence-end-double-space nil)
#+end_src
FYI, when inside the temporary buffer, C-h k M-q just gives exactly the
same (and expected command): =fill-paragraph=.
* Questions
I think this is quite new, but could not identify anything peculiar in my
config. Do you have the same?
Do you understand why?
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-24 14:31 Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer Sebastien Vauban
@ 2012-10-24 14:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-10-24 18:53 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-12-18 11:50 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2012-10-24 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hello,
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
> When trying to refill the comment directly in the following code block
> (staying in the Org file), it has *no effect*.
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> ;; a single space does end a sentence. But this sentence is the longest I could write...
> (setq-default sentence-end-double-space nil)
> #+end_src
Org doesn't know how to fill foreign code. Thus, you cannot fill
directly a src-block (or an example block or even an export block for
that matter).
As you tried, you can edit that chunk of code in a separate buffer with
the appropriate major mode (and subsequent filling rules) using C-c '.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-24 14:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2012-10-24 18:53 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-24 20:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2012-10-24 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hello Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> "Sebastien Vauban" writes:
>
>> When trying to refill the comment directly in the following code block
>> (staying in the Org file), it has *no effect*.
>>
>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>> ;; a single space does end a sentence. But this sentence is the longest I could write...
>> (setq-default sentence-end-double-space nil)
>> #+end_src
>
> Org doesn't know how to fill foreign code. Thus, you cannot fill
> directly a src-block (or an example block or even an export block for
> that matter).
>
> As you tried, you can edit that chunk of code in a separate buffer with
> the appropriate major mode (and subsequent filling rules) using C-c '.
For sure, that did work before -- at least in my setup... Maybe because of
FillAdapt and such, which I used back then.
Is there no way to make such a practical feature[1] available?
Best regards,
Seb
[1] For example, mails I get are enclosed in a "verse" block, and I've the
habit of reformatting them before saving my "inbox" file.
--
Sebastien Vauban
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-24 18:53 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2012-10-24 20:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-10-25 8:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2012-10-24 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Is there no way to make such a practical feature[1] available?
There's a mechanism to send commands to the src-block through the
appropriate major-mode. It may be possible to ask for a filling with
that. But I don't think Org should treat a src-block as plain text when
M-q is used.
> [1] For example, mails I get are enclosed in a "verse" block, and I've the
> habit of reformatting them before saving my "inbox" file.
Verse blocks are for free-form poetry and cannot be filled. I suggest to
use quote blocks, which can be filled, for that.
Regards,
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-24 20:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2012-10-25 8:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-25 12:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2012-10-25 8:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hello Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> "Sebastien Vauban" writes:
>
>> Is there no way to make such a practical feature[1] available?
>
> There's a mechanism to send commands to the src-block through the
> appropriate major-mode. It may be possible to ask for a filling with that.
> But I don't think Org should treat a src-block as plain text when M-q is
> used.
>
>> [1] For example, mails I get are enclosed in a "verse" block, and I've the
>> habit of reformatting them before saving my "inbox" file.
>
> Verse blocks are for free-form poetry and cannot be filled. I suggest to use
> quote blocks, which can be filled, for that.
I used VERSE (instead of EXAMPLE) by following (what I understood from) your
advice, see http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/33919.
Maybe that's stupid of mine, but I have such a capture template for received
emails:
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq org-capture-templates
`(("m" "Mail" entry
(file+headline ,org-default-notes-file "Tasks")
"* TODO %:subject%? (from %:fromname) :mail:
SCHEDULED: %t
%:date-timestamp-inactive
#+begin_verse
%i
#+end_verse
From %a"
:empty-lines 1 :immediate-finish t)))
#+end_src
That allows for
- easy followup of emails to answer to (by setting SCHEDULED to today), and
- nice HTML export (LaTeX not especially used) of project documentation (where
mail extracts may serve as documentation).
Now, I don't need anything special (no treatment of the emails contents), but
I need some "respectful" filling (what FillAdapt did), so that the following:
#+begin_quote
> I think VERSE (patched) is better than EXAMPLE because you can still
> benefit from text markup (and LaTeX snippets). Sadly, mails can
> sometimes be, well, very distant from poetry...
#+end_quote
does not become:
#+begin_quote
> I think VERSE (patched) is better than EXAMPLE because you can still >
benefit from text markup (and LaTeX snippets). Sadly, mails can > sometimes
be, well, very distant from poetry...
#+end_quote
when refilled.
Any better advice?
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-25 8:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2012-10-25 12:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2012-10-25 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hello,
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
> I used VERSE (instead of EXAMPLE) by following (what I understood from) your
> advice, see http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/33919.
A verse block implies that every line of its contents have a line break.
You can do many things with verse blocks beside poetry, but certainly
not filling them.
> Now, I don't need anything special (no treatment of the emails contents), but
> I need some "respectful" filling (what FillAdapt did), so that the following:
>
> #+begin_quote
>> I think VERSE (patched) is better than EXAMPLE because you can still
>> benefit from text markup (and LaTeX snippets). Sadly, mails can
>> sometimes be, well, very distant from poetry...
> #+end_quote
>
> does not become:
>
> #+begin_quote
>> I think VERSE (patched) is better than EXAMPLE because you can still >
> benefit from text markup (and LaTeX snippets). Sadly, mails can > sometimes
> be, well, very distant from poetry...
> #+end_quote
This is some special requirement. Org doesn't know about message mode
filling rules.
> Any better advice?
Configure FillAdapt to be compatible with Org mode? Since it's a FAQ, it
may be useful to many people.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer
2012-10-24 14:31 Filling comments in Org code block vs in temporary buffer Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-24 14:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2012-12-18 11:50 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-12-18 11:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: public-emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Sébastien,
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
> When trying to refill the comment directly in the following code block
> (staying in the Org file), it has *no effect*.
Fixed, thanks.
--
Bastien
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