* M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
@ 2014-11-02 7:43 James Harkins
2014-11-02 8:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: James Harkins @ 2014-11-02 7:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: orgmode
In plain lists, if there is indented text underneath a list item, is it considered to "belong to" the list item, or is it just freestanding text?
I'm asking because M-S-up/down doesn't take indented text into account. These commands only move the line marked with a list-item indicator ("-" etc.).
* Heading
- List item 1
- List item 2
Indented text
- List item 3
Position the point on "List item 2" and hit M-S-down. You'll get this, which seems wrong to me:
* Heading
- List item 1
Indented text
- List item 2
- List item 3
I expected:
* Heading
- List item 1
- List item 3
- List item 2
Indented text
My opinion is that this is a bug, but it's also possible that I don't fully understand how org interprets plain lists. It does seem that org has a concept of indented text "belonging to" the list item, because you can use TAB to collapse a list item containing indented text, but you can't use it on a list item followed by non-indented text.
* Heading
- List item 1: TAB can fold this item
Indented text
- List item 2: TAB displays a message in the minibuffer "EMPTY ENTRY"
Non-indented text
- List item 3
I also see the same bizarre behavior of M-S-up/down if a list item has a sub-list under it.
My org is up-to-date as of 10/15/2014.
hjh
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-02 7:43 M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists) James Harkins
@ 2014-11-02 8:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-11-02 8:44 ` James Harkins
2014-11-03 9:26 ` James Harkins
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-11-02 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Harkins; +Cc: orgmode
Hello,
James Harkins <jamshark70@qq.com> writes:
> In plain lists, if there is indented text underneath a list item, is
> it considered to "belong to" the list item, or is it just freestanding
> text?
The former.
> I'm asking because M-S-up/down doesn't take indented text into
> account. These commands only move the line marked with a list-item
> indicator ("-" etc.).
>
> * Heading
> - List item 1
> - List item 2
> Indented text
> - List item 3
>
> Position the point on "List item 2" and hit M-S-down. You'll get this,
> which seems wrong to me:
>
> * Heading
> - List item 1
> Indented text
> - List item 2
> - List item 3
>
> I expected:
>
> * Heading
> - List item 1
> - List item 3
> - List item 2
> Indented text
>
> My opinion is that this is a bug
Actually, it isn't. This is a feature.
Both `M-S-up' and `M-S-down' work line wise and ignore any structure
around point. OTOH, `M-up' and `M-down' should do what you want.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-02 8:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-11-02 8:44 ` James Harkins
2014-11-03 9:26 ` James Harkins
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From: James Harkins @ 2014-11-02 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: orgmode
On November 2, 2014 4:25:53 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
> Actually, it isn't. This is a feature.
>
> Both `M-S-up' and `M-S-down' work line wise and ignore any structure
> around point. OTOH, `M-up' and `M-down' should do what you want.
Ah, OK... It would be a bug if there were no function to move a list item
with its contents. Since there is such a function, just on a different key
binding, no bug. Thanks.
hjh
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-02 8:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-11-02 8:44 ` James Harkins
@ 2014-11-03 9:26 ` James Harkins
2014-11-03 12:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: James Harkins @ 2014-11-03 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail <at> nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Both `M-S-up' and `M-S-down' work line wise and ignore any structure
> around point. OTOH, `M-up' and `M-down' should do what you want.
BTW the name of the menu item is misleading. C-h C-k M-S-up:
~~
It is bound to <M-S-up>, <menu-bar> <Org> <Edit Structure> <Move
Subtree Up>, <menu-bar> <Tbl> <Row> <Delete Row>.
~~
This is why I thought that M-S-up/down would work on entry + contents -- I
looked in the Emacs menu and saw "Move Subtree Up," and I didn't think to
check the docstring (which contradicts the name in the menu by saying,
correctly, "Drag the line at point up").
hjh
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-03 9:26 ` James Harkins
@ 2014-11-03 12:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-11-03 13:32 ` James Harkins
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-11-03 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Harkins; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
James Harkins <jamshark70@qq.com> writes:
> BTW the name of the menu item is misleading. C-h C-k M-S-up:
>
> ~~
> It is bound to <M-S-up>, <menu-bar> <Org> <Edit Structure> <Move
> Subtree Up>, <menu-bar> <Tbl> <Row> <Delete Row>.
> ~~
>
> This is why I thought that M-S-up/down would work on entry + contents -- I
> looked in the Emacs menu and saw "Move Subtree Up," and I didn't think to
> check the docstring (which contradicts the name in the menu by saying,
> correctly, "Drag the line at point up").
What improvement are you suggesting then?
Regards,
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-03 12:48 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-11-03 13:32 ` James Harkins
2014-11-03 20:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: James Harkins @ 2014-11-03 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou, emacs-orgmode
At Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:48:56 +0100,
Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> James Harkins <jamshark70@qq.com> writes:
> > BTW the name of the menu item is misleading. C-h C-k M-S-up:
> >
> > ~~
> > It is bound to <M-S-up>, <menu-bar> <Org> <Edit Structure> <Move
> > Subtree Up>, <menu-bar> <Tbl> <Row> <Delete Row>.
>
> What improvement are you suggesting then?
Upon further reflection, I think the best would be to bind org-metaup/down to the "move subtree" menu items, rather than org-shiftmetaup. I'm guessing that this is the more common use case (because moving a whole subtree doesn't destroy the structure of that subtree, while moving a line does), so I think it would make more sense to put the more common case in the menu.
hjh
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* Re: M-S-up/down on plain lists containing text (or multilevel lists)
2014-11-03 13:32 ` James Harkins
@ 2014-11-03 20:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-11-03 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Harkins; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
James Harkins <jamshark70@qq.com> writes:
> Upon further reflection, I think the best would be to bind
> org-metaup/down to the "move subtree" menu items, rather than
> org-shiftmetaup. I'm guessing that this is the more common use case
> (because moving a whole subtree doesn't destroy the structure of that
> subtree, while moving a line does), so I think it would make more
> sense to put the more common case in the menu.
Indeed, that's a bug in the menu. Thank you for reporting it.
Regards,
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