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From: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
To: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Rewrite org-(forward|backward)-paragraph
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 16:42:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875zc1d3f3.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874krru6wy.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 04 Jun 2020 00:21:49 +0200")

Hi Nicolas!

I don't know how useful my feedback will be, since I'm not a heavy user
of paragraph-based movement[1], but here goes!

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> In any case, the purpose of this rewrite is to mimic more closely
> expected behaviour from `forward-paragraph' and `backward-paragraph'
> functions, as found, e.g., in Text mode. Unlike Text mode, navigation in
> Org mode is usually not linear, but both should feel the same, for
> example, when the document is indeed linear.

I've danced around ORG-NEWS to assess the changes; what I observed does
feel closer to text-mode (point moves to the blank lines between
paragraphs instead of to the paragraph starts), the other changes I
could spot do not strike me as deal-breaking:

- point now jumps over tight lists[2] instead of stopping at each item,

- point stops a few more times within code blocks, acting like
  #+begin_src and #+end_src are paragraphs of their own, instead of
  jumping over the whole block; also, forward and backward movements are
  now symmetric 🙌

Are there other situations where you think your changes could be

> WDYT? Also, what should be done with M-{ and M-}?

FWIW, I think that reducing the distance between Org mode and The Rest
of Emacs™ is a commendable goal, so I would vote for binding paragraph
functions to M-{ and M-}, and moving element functions to C-<UP> and
C-<DOWN>.  I realize that this might be too big a change for the sake of
conformity though.

(And again: I don't use these functions very often, so my vote probably
shouldn't carry too much weight.)

Thank you for working on this!

[1] Curly brackets are cumbersome with AZERTY, so I never took the habit
    of moving by paragraphs outside org-mode.  Likewise with Org's
    <C-ARROW> bindings: my fingers are too lazy to reach for the arrow
    keys for something as often-used as movement.

[2] I.e. lists without newlines between items.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-08 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-03 22:21 [RFC] Rewrite org-(forward|backward)-paragraph Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-08 14:42 ` Kévin Le Gouguec [this message]
2020-06-08 17:24   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-13 15:25     ` Nicolas Goaziou

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