From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id uOwFLfG5TGFqKQEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:31:29 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id SPivKPG5TGFDBwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:31:29 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB8F14FF9 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57950 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTSZE-0003ds-1F for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:31:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTSMC-000389-Do for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:18:01 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:36593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTSM9-0002xg-I3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:18:00 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C542A240026 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:17:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1632417473; bh=GLm+5t7iUspbjcSNPugNijmnu9tLP5j3496odqmdurY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=Srm0y8Bqts3nlqta0rM0aFueMkLbdOq5DizYWwadHJSVh6G+C6tM2Yo0I+vUXubnG ato9TRqhppZHlvsGL0GDvHuCYPreGg39Et/+YnKaRyKS3B1LaFucXLLZAy2Om/sLvm 9MluQQWBTybKU7QeZVongFphkpkt2De18rhz7l0AP12e6KloMYpdge+r2qasEfW25l AWlf05t0gZxWgHEKO8u65x1B7yzHEBh7Lq9oCZfyWoMUIs+8BQtxdQv/StgBzIU1lc ILGWDpShWPEtn7CvG6fbOdkkxG4+Zb4/EJCigtgegUBcvCmOG6AZ4QCJ0n2qOzayML a9sTCujB1s2xw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HFhgj1Fr0z6tmV; Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:17:53 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Max Nikulin Subject: Re: [PATCH] ox.el: add smart quotes for Greek References: <87bl4omst8.fsf@posteo.net> <279c8d6d-ebcf-2149-416d-c75bdf227f05@gmail.com> <874kad1y12.fsf@posteo.net> <871r5ge66w.fsf@posteo.net> <5456e4a1-5c2b-28c5-c290-1e0f8117d94d@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:17:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5456e4a1-5c2b-28c5-c290-1e0f8117d94d@gmail.com> (Max Nikulin's message of "Thu, 23 Sep 2021 23:10:17 +0700") Message-ID: <875yurw6rk.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1632418289; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=GLm+5t7iUspbjcSNPugNijmnu9tLP5j3496odqmdurY=; b=kvQPTNJ7MXoza9m5yPhbKLQms09+EUxeXA6ymJiMsTALo3hK/Ih7CV96yAAWvvxSV4k6H9 m7VIrMjB6rvCtYc6uPoe8izIKsrCfpUT3eM8/prqS9KBlGtcVocMdMMV42NUfNhSy5LJs4 wHn1OfNTT4US75Hbq38VqCP5B55JDZyPXOTdcdv7DRakToadPn0KgApQwXuXg53r9B18a8 AkQL+SgSOdQBaOlGCLFaP3sF+ks1w9TbtDUXrIlge9XKFbR29x+WyfX5a71xA2guaLSt4p qSwY9T0C5zDGP3qd6U2ESlt4N6cde8ETPN/aDL6+NUZcVwjQOv5nQQdlIPdd3Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1632418289; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MfCQ0xbLKdAOGJP0vtQOOX/wx5m86MGOE0PNI5XUV4LNcjBDuDNzGj3/xT+2rbigFAPXb6 Wl/FFW8T1gYHs1kUce5k2wamcbEHZARgCd7xaO1k2uTpts98Qu3Deww/IaaXX89e7p8KyL 7sJzQkV5Ldr041DvP2N95SkXs14joXOjsfAQ8uSqM22fqj2QNGCAdl8+95FmrbzvuJdtTe 1R5GQe/wn6vGlfcc3PEiM6uYBSBu2qSUbqUwzCcmkuljnFCJZfKsexDUE6GnRQq6T3YXr9 ehMiTSrsR8DAZza/fjXTYQad3vASZAz3k7huj2MWQmpYT5R5Cr/53pc67H5AWQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Srm0y8Bq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.59 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Srm0y8Bq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DBB8F14FF9 X-Spam-Score: -1.59 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: OJMpX/Vlxi7J Hi Maxim, Max Nikulin writes: > Juan Manuel, I feel some misunderstanding. I am not asking for more > arguments in support of current variant of patch. CLDR entry, EU=20 > recommendations, the mail from Protesilaos, absence of named HTML > entity, complications with pdfTeX are more than enough. I completely agree with what you say, but I think I have explained wrong in my previous mail. I said about consulting YH because his article is something old (90s), and his current opinion on "the state of the question" could help me compose my little explanatory note. And in any case, I think everyone here agrees that the character that he proposed in his paper is unfeasible in Org, for all the reasons you have summarized. On the other hand, the orthographic norms are not sacred norms; rather, they are determined by use and customs. For example, here in Spain the manuals and treatises tend to disagree on certain issues. In my opinion, many times it is better to talk about trends more than norms[1], and trends that more or less end imposing, almost by mere natural selection (another matter is that sometimes bad habits are also imposed, for using inappropriate software, but this is not the case where we are). [1] For example, in Spanish of Spain, the quotation marks are =C2=AB=E2=80= =9C =E2=80=9D=C2=BB, But in Mexican Spanish they use =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D as in = English. In fact the csquotes LaTeX package includes both styles. Best regards, Juan Manuel