From: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
To: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug: Org-mode don't export to html footnotes references inside footnotes as such. [7.8.03]
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:47:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874nu4fs80.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pqcsvet9.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:30:26 +0100")
Hello,
Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:
>>> If one intends to export his Org file to ODT, then nested footnote
>>> construction should be avoided like plague.
>>
>> It isn't really supported in LaTeX too, but there are workarounds.
>
> There are always workarounds, but footnotes within footnotes aren't
> directly supported by any publishing system I know of, and with good
> reason. A footnote, just like a marginal, is an expansion on the main
> text that can be skipped without loss of information (but maybe loss of
> detail).
That's what I thought before the OP request. Though, it appears that it
is a not so rare need. For example critical editions seem to use it
quite often.
> So whenever you feel that you need a footnote within a footnote, you
> could just as well have two footnotes at the original place.
I have never needed nested footnotes, so I feel like the Devil's
advocate but anyway...
Imagine a very large footnote, spanning over tens of lines. You would
like to add a footnote next to a word in the middle of that
text. I suppose it wouldn't make sense to get out of that footnote and
be told there's another reference for a word you read many lines ago.
>> If such thing isn't possible, ODT back-end will ignore any footnote
>> contained in another footnote (i.e. whose genealogy contains an element
>> with an `footnote-reference' or `footnote-definition' type) and send
>> a message to the user.
>
> It would be better to not promote the idea of footnotes within footnotes
> and those who insist on using that construct should be required to
> explicitly request that feature and suffer the consequences.
Note that Org inherently supports nested footnotes. Forbidding them
would be much like an artificial limitation.
I don't mind such limitation, but knowing that they may happen to be
useful, it's worth pondering if it really should be so.
> Much better would be if starting a footnote while within a footnote
> would simply open a new footnote and add the reference at the same place
> where the first one was opened.
That's a possible workaround I was talking about earlier. And it's
perfectly possible with the experimental exporter. ODT back-end may
implement it.
That's mostly what I did with the LaTeX back-end. Nested footnotes
definitions are inserted right after the top level footnote definition
containing them. Only footnotes markers are nested.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-25 2:28 Bug: Org-mode don't export to html footnotes references inside footnotes as such. [7.8.03] Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
2012-02-26 12:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-03-03 20:22 ` Jambunathan K
2012-03-03 20:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-03-04 10:30 ` Achim Gratz
2012-03-04 12:47 ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
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