From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 18:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <874kvmbicv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87pnebf2ku.fsf@gnu.org> <87k14i7r0s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87o8tuyelh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftf67jsg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49403) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j4T5a-0007p2-C1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:24:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ftf67jsg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:07:11 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > I don't understand. C-c C-, combination is as fast as Org Tempo: > > C-c C-, s : 3 keys > < s TAB : 3 keys I'm tempted to count the number of fingers involved ;) Which may not be *that* stupid when considering "fast" typing. But eh, I don't want vimers to come and laugh at us. > We could even add an "expert" interface that would not display the > help menu for an even faster C-c C-, experience. That's a good idea, yes. I can even imagine that M-TAB can expand <* using org-insert-structure-template only, and they we don't have the problem of requiring this problematic tempo library. >> M-x customize-option RET org-modules seems okay to me. > > Then you may belong to the happy few that happen to find Customize > interface "okay". :> Well, no, I'm not one of these happy few... > I was speaking about "init.el" hacking. One must be cautious when > setting Org modules: it requires to be set before Org is loaded. Ok, fair point. > Also, my question is still open: is there any strong reason to provide, > out of the box, two template mechanisms in Org? This is genuine > question. No, there is no good reason for two template mechanism, and if we can rely on org-insert-structure-template only, while still being able to complete <* at the beginning of the line, that'd be perfect to me. > In any case, I don't think it is just a matter of personal preference, > like defcustoms. There should be some clear design decision behind the > answer. I get your point. What would you think of this idea: (1) only one function for inserting templates, but callable in two different ways, one interactive (C-c C-, possibly with expert mode) and one by just typing and hitting M-TAB. In a word: I just want to add a simpler completion mechanism to the current template insertion mechanism. If we can get rid of org-tempo from Org's core, that's even better. > Let's un-bundle this issue from the rest of the poll, and think > about it separately. Agreed. > Hmmmm. This is another topic. Yes, let's raise this issue later on. Thanks, -- Bastien