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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=cK5YIZoL; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=RVnyL80L; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.21 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.53952588170124]; DWL_DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[209.51.188.17:from,kyleam.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.05), country: US(-0.00), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.54)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pobox.com:+,kyleam.com:+]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[verizon.net,gnu.org]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[kyle@kyleam.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pobox.com:s=sasl,kyleam.com:s=mesmtp]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[pobox.com:dkim,kyleam.com:dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kyleam.com]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[209.51.188.17:from]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: 10EbMcC5MDF9 Charles Millar writes: > I think the following changes are required: in the manual, if they=20 > already have not been made in the past few hours: > > 2.2.2 > When Emacs first visits an Org file, the global state is set to > SHOWEVERYTHING, i.e., all file content is visible(1). > > (No idea if the footnote needs to be changed.) The footnote looks okay. It's about org-agenda-inhibit-startup and isn't dependent on the default value of org-startup-folded. > Likewise in section 16.7 the explanation for #+STARTUP, to wit: > > responding variable for global default > settings is =E2=80=98org-startup-folded=E2=80=99 with a default value of = =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99, which > is the same as =E2=80=98overview=E2=80=99. > > needs amendment to reflect the current change in default visibility=20 > behavior. I've updated the two spots you mentioned (cd2b108d2). Thanks.