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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Karl Voit , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Karl Voit , Jean Louis Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=Y2AZ1vtE; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=web.de (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: izWqbAUH1a6E --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Rogers writes: >> Common indenting in Org mode is: >> >> * Heading >> Text >> ** Heading >> Text >> *** Heading text >> Text >> **** Heading >> Text here >> ***** Heading >> Text >> ****** Heading >> Text >> >> AND if somebody likes to indent differently electric indent mode >> would help. >> >> Common indenting is not (other may tell me that I am wrong if this >> statement is wrong) >> >> * Heading >> Text >> ** Heading >> Text >> *** Heading text >> Text >> **** Heading >> Text here >> ***** Heading >> Text >> ****** Heading >> Text >> >> The above change was introduced as default to many users and is not >> conveniente. > Am I crazy to say that your last example of unwanted behavior is > easier for me to read and understand? (and to me the common=20 > indenting is a hopeless mess?) I think the second becomes horribly hard to read if you have more than one line in the body. I use org-mode for writing long prose and having all my text indented is pretty annoyming. I=E2=80=99ve tried to ignore and = work around it for some time now because I assumed it was a bug but didn=E2=80= =99t have a clear view when it appears. I have text like this: **** Exilanten: Clanj=C3=A4ger-Fuchsmenschen *Fuchsmenschen mit Berserkererbe, das die Realit=C3=A4t wanken l=C3=A4sst. = J=C3=A4ger mit starken Sinnen, denen Gruppe und Clan stabilen Halt geben.* Au=C3=9Fensicht: /Einst unaufhaltsame Berserker, heute an ihre Clansregeln gebundene J=C3=A4ger, Piloten und Leibw=C3=A4chter. Sie erkennen mehr, als = sie zeigen./ Innensicht: /Der Clan ist deine Familie, die Tradition der Jagd dein Halt in der Welt. Wenn deine Sinne die gesamte Welt zu durchdringen scheinen, ist dein Biest nicht weit./ =E2=80=A6 ***** Kernantriebe #+caption: Kernantriebe der Ranmex #+attr_latex: :placement [H] #+tblname: kernantriebe-ranmex | Wollen | Handeln | Sein | |------------+---------------+----------------| | Ansehen | Tradition | Leistungsstark | | Sicherheit | Anpassung | Zuverl=C3=A4ssig | | Genugtuung | Unterst=C3=BCtzung | Loyal | =E2=80=A6 ****** Beispiel: Chessos Reluna - Beschreibung: Gesch=C3=A4ftst=C3=BCchtiger und kampferprobter Ranmex. - Zitat: =E2=80=9EWas kriegen wir daf=C3=BCr?=E2=80=9C - Motivation: Will genug Geld verdienen, um ein gro=C3=9Fes, kampftauglic= hes Schiff f=C3=BCr einen eigenen Clan zu kaufen. Eigenschaften: - Sehr Gesch=C3=A4ftst=C3=BCchtig: + (15) Berufe: - S=C3=B6ldner: + (9) - Pilot: + (9) =E2=80=A6 From=20here: https://hg.sr.ht/~arnebab/ews/browse/Hauptdokument/ews30/ews.o= rg?rev=3Db8e3899c6d8b#L2644 > Does the new behavior =E2=80=9Cbreak=E2=80=9D something for you (causing = errors etc), > or does it just look wrong? It becomes much harder to work in prose. What you=E2=80=99ll note in my fil= es is that they all have #+STARTUP: hidestars So the above does not look to me like ****** Beispiel: Chessos Reluna - Beschreibung: Gesch=C3=A4ftst=C3=BCchtiger und kampferprobter Ranmex. - Zitat: =E2=80=9EWas kriegen wir daf=C3=BCr?=E2=80=9C - Motivation: Will genug Geld verdienen, um ein gro=C3=9Fes, kampftauglic= hes Schiff f=C3=BCr einen eigenen Clan zu kaufen. But like * Beispiel: Chessos Reluna - Beschreibung: Gesch=C3=A4ftst=C3=BCchtiger und kampferprobter Ranmex. - Zitat: =E2=80=9EWas kriegen wir daf=C3=BCr?=E2=80=9C - Motivation: Will genug Geld verdienen, um ein gro=C3=9Fes, kampftauglic= hes Schiff f=C3=BCr einen eigenen Clan zu kaufen. 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