From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id oCGLEr1CSmHR8wAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 22:38:21 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id uF4wDr1CSmHiGwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:38:21 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57CAD8504 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 22:38:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57480 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSmWw-00083w-EO for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:38:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45602) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSmFX-0005WX-KZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:20:19 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:53173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSmFT-0000sd-Qa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:20:18 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA0DD240027 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 22:20:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1632255610; bh=71QPlmvxKLgWuM3TVTXBpBYwC5m8UsJmvJKALWU1wcU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=SGECwzsIzs2F7+la/4RsT0fGzD1IX9FkMnUJm+kH85JyRS1sjJIIaw0axH8aBANzo C6QKOyWV2kjyJK9DjB8lIj/NSxN5DHkzc+OXUC3nC73N30giiD7Jp1Jq0HmIYc/8hR HCdTefRaAoz0n87Y+2yh0TXlDutqwRdF4y+EUkFZ62UDkkBrX0EOtKD7JghppLe/48 vqH9MbC8p2sYNOKQrIvGbsMQAarvI9kOvJiRoRy3h81nSScuMcScEZFyGzQxO4T2yB Am5KHc4t9KzpVV8orF8Evny0GydCBG//xwnIuR4zVxuCuJvtycq7HV9afeu21KDbzC BNiSxFzqT97Hw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HDXpy1PHcz6tmL; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 22:20:10 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Max Nikulin Subject: Re: [PATCH] ox.el: add smart quotes for Greek References: <87bl4omst8.fsf@posteo.net> <279c8d6d-ebcf-2149-416d-c75bdf227f05@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:20:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <279c8d6d-ebcf-2149-416d-c75bdf227f05@gmail.com> (Max Nikulin's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:54:32 +0700") Message-ID: <874kad1y12.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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I am afraid, as inline > comment it could be considered too long. > - To a file in the "doc" directory dedicated to such decisions (there > is no such file yet however) with a reference from the .el file. > - Commit message. It is acceptable but not apparent for a person who > reads the code that git log may provide detailed explanation of=20 > particular choice. Thanks for your suggestions. Maybe I could add a link to the Haralambous paper in the commit message, along with a very short note... In any case, the only issue is with the second level opening quotes. Haralambous asserts that the (pretty rare) character U+201F must be used, and not the character U+201C, which is the one used in English (among many other languages) and in Spanish second level quotes, and the one that I have applied (proposed by Protesilaos) to the patch. Haralambous is a great TeX guru, and a great scholar and theorist of Greek typography, but... I would say that in this case his mind is more focused on a historical tradition probably abandoned before the digital age. I really don't know. Moreover, it is difficult to find specimens of the use of second-level quotation marks. I have looked in Greek books printed in the early and middle of the last century, and I have not found anything. My suspicion is that in Greek nowadays the character U+201C (common in other languages ---as I said before--- and therefore better known) has ended up standardizing for second level opening quotes. Maybe all the above could be summarized in less than one line inside the commit message ;-). A quick search, by the way, of the term '=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=83=CE=B1=CE=B3=CF=89=CE=B3=CE=B9=CE=BA=CE=AC' (=3D 'quotat= ion marks') on www.greek-language.gr returns this result, where it is seen clearly the character U+201C: ... (=C2=AB =C2=BB =CE=AE =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9D) ... https://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/modern_greek/tools/lexica/search.ht= ml?lq=3D%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%B3%CF%89%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC Best regards, Juan Manuel=20