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From: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>
To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ox.el: add smart quotes for Greek
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:20:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874kad1y12.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <279c8d6d-ebcf-2149-416d-c75bdf227f05@gmail.com> (Max Nikulin's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:54:32 +0700")

Hi Maxim,

Max Nikulin writes:

> [...]
> Possible options:
> - Add the note directly to the .el file. I am afraid, as inline
>   comment it could be considered too long.
> - To a file in the "doc" directory dedicated to such decisions (there
>   is no such file yet however) with a reference from the .el file.
> - Commit message. It is acceptable but not apparent for a person who
>   reads the code that git log may provide detailed explanation of 
> particular choice.

Thanks for your suggestions. Maybe I could add a link to the Haralambous
paper in the commit message, along with a very short note... In any
case, the only issue is with the second level opening quotes.
Haralambous asserts that the (pretty rare) character U+201F must be
used, and not the character U+201C, which is the one used in English
(among many other languages) and in Spanish second level quotes, and the
one that I have applied (proposed by Protesilaos) to the patch.
Haralambous is a great TeX guru, and a great scholar and theorist of
Greek typography, but... I would say that in this case his mind is more
focused on a historical tradition probably abandoned before the digital
age. I really don't know. Moreover, it is difficult to find specimens of
the use of second-level quotation marks. I have looked in Greek books
printed in the early and middle of the last century, and I have not
found anything. My suspicion is that in Greek nowadays the character
U+201C (common in other languages ---as I said before--- and therefore
better known) has ended up standardizing for second level opening
quotes. Maybe all the above could be summarized in less than one line
inside the commit message ;-). A quick search, by the way, of the term
'εισαγωγικά' (= 'quotation marks') on www.greek-language.gr returns this
result, where it is seen clearly the character U+201C:

... (« » ή “ ”) ...

https://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/modern_greek/tools/lexica/search.html?lq=%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%B3%CF%89%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC

Best regards,

Juan Manuel 





  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-21 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-19 16:30 [PATCH] ox.el: add smart quotes for Greek Juan Manuel Macías
2021-09-20 14:54 ` Max Nikulin
2021-09-21 20:20   ` Juan Manuel Macías [this message]
2021-09-22 17:19     ` Max Nikulin
2021-09-22 19:55       ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-09-23 16:10         ` Max Nikulin
2021-09-23 17:17           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-09-25 19:56             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-09-25 20:54               ` Bastien

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