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I completely forget this feature. Using priority and split big task is also a good advice. Today I pay attention to keep Org-mode as simple as possible. It was not the case in the past and few times I stopped using Org-mode because of that. Milan Zamazal writes: >>>>>> "SG" =3D=3D S=C3=A9bastien Gendre writes: > > SG> But, as a student, I regularly have big and important projects > SG> to do for the school. The kind of project who need several days > SG> to be done, with deadlines too soon, and if you fail one them > SG> the consequences can be disastrous. And generally, I have to > SG> many of these project in the same time and not enough time to do > SG> all the work. So, I also need to follow the progress of each > SG> project to choose which is sufficiently advanced to be stop for > SG> the benefit of another less advanced project. > > SG> And I don't know how to manage this kind of projects with > SG> Org-mode. How to do it, without failing a 6 days project because > SG> I spent to much time on something else and I have only 3 days > SG> left with 3 half-day important appointment I cannot cancel. I > SG> can't risk failing a single one of these project by trying. So, > SG> when I am in a period with a lot of these projects, I stop using > SG> Org-mode and concentrate on doing these project as fast as I > SG> can. And because I often have this kind of project, I spend most > SG> of the year without being able to use Org-mode. > > Hi, I=E2=80=99d join the suggestion to keep things simple in the beginnin= g. My > task flow is different from yours but in order not to miss really > important things, I use the following: > > - Deadlines, with longer in-advance warnings when needed (e.g. =E2=80=9C-= 3w=E2=80=9D in > DEADLINE). > > - I use priority A for and only for stuff that is on risk of really bad > consequences if not handled ASAP. And I schedule such stuff to a > future date if it doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to work on it now for any = reason. > > As for progress, I=E2=80=99d say that if you don=E2=80=99t know how far a= re you with > your short-term tasks and which of them require attention currently then > you might have a problem with your workflow. Maybe you are too > overloaded or you don=E2=80=99t split your time among the tasks appropria= tely. > Org mode is a good tool to implement support for different workflows but > cannot help if a used workflow doesn=E2=80=99t work very well for you. A= gain, > starting simple with Org mode and paying attention first to how you work > and how it could be improved generally might be a good idea (and a > life-long process for many of us). > > Regards, > Milan