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Curly braces are often >> used in bib files to indicate that the capitalization is to be >> preserved. >> >> Do we want to change the default behavior of the basic processor so >> that it correctly handles these cases? > > This makes sense. However, I see it as something to be done by > bibtex.el; not by Org. Or we may need to write a small exporter for > BibTeX fields specifically. So that > http://www.bibtex.org/SpecialSymbols/ is obeyed. We may also handle > upcasing the title words in such exporter. > > For now, I reached Emacs devs asking to provide the parsing within > bibtex.el. See https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=57712 > Lets see what they reply first. > Dear Ihor! Thank you for posting the BibTeX brace problem upstream. From what I can see by reading through the conversation, we are going down a rabbit hole. It seems to be pretty difficult to convert a BibTeX entry to a proper ascii string (I think this is what the basic export processor is doing). Is that true? Not sure how to proceed. I do not think that post processing `bibtex-parse-entry` output which seems to contain LaTeX code makes sense. Best, Dominik