* new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent
@ 2023-02-06 20:08 Laurenz Wiskott
2023-02-06 20:44 ` Laurenz Wiskott
2023-02-08 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Laurenz Wiskott @ 2023-02-06 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
org mode has apparently been rewritten somehow. At least I noticed a few differences
after updating to the new Debian version. For instance, it got much faster. GREAT!
There is one feature however that I really miss: It used to be that I could add an entry
with a certain number of stars in the first line, and then 'org-global-cycle' using S-TAB
would allow to make all the headlines visible only up to that many stars. For instance,
a file with
*** -
* 1
Text 1
** 2
Text 2
*** 3
Text 3
**** 4
Text 4
after one or two S-TAB (depending on the initial folding state) would look like
*** -
* 1
** 2
*** 3
without the 4-star headline visible. If I remove one star in the first line and type
S-TAB once or twice, then it looks like
** -
* 1
** 2
I found that a convenient way of controlling the depth of the CONTENT view (I believe it
is called). That does not work any more. Typing S-TAB once or twice leads to the
CONTENTS view that shows all headlines, no matter how many stars and independently of the
first line.
I have read that I can get the desired behavior with a numerical argument. So, I have a
work around. GREAT!
However, I find it inconsistent, that 'org-global-cycle' and 'org-cycle' work
differently. The latter shows the old behavior (GREAT!), but can apparently not be
controlled directly with a numerical argument, while for the former it is the other way
around.
I suggest, to enable the trick with the first line for both 'org-global-cycle' and
'org-cycle' and to also enable overwriting this with a numerical argument.
Here is an example for 'org-cycle'
* 1
*** -
** A
*** Aa
Text
** B
*** Ba
**** Ba1
Text
Typing TAB once or twice (depending on the initial folding state) on the main headline (*
1) yields the view:
* 1
*** -
** A
*** Aa
** B
*** Ba
If I remove one star in the second line (*** -), typing TAB yields
* 1
** -
** A
** B
So, that still works. But a numerical argument has no effect. However, I found that C-c
TAB (org-show-children) does this, but why not just numerical argument plus TAB, like for
S-TAB?
Anyhow, I am extremely grateful for the org-mode and I use it daily. Thanks a lot.
Best,
Laurenz Wiskott.
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* Re: new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent
2023-02-06 20:08 new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent Laurenz Wiskott
@ 2023-02-06 20:44 ` Laurenz Wiskott
2023-02-08 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Laurenz Wiskott @ 2023-02-06 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
PS: I use org-mode version 9.4
On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 09:08:16PM +0100, Laurenz Wiskott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> org mode has apparently been rewritten somehow. At least I noticed a few differences
> after updating to the new Debian version. For instance, it got much faster. GREAT!
>
> There is one feature however that I really miss: It used to be that I could add an entry
> with a certain number of stars in the first line, and then 'org-global-cycle' using S-TAB
> would allow to make all the headlines visible only up to that many stars. For instance,
> a file with
>
>
> *** -
> * 1
> Text 1
> ** 2
> Text 2
> *** 3
> Text 3
> **** 4
> Text 4
>
> after one or two S-TAB (depending on the initial folding state) would look like
>
> *** -
> * 1
> ** 2
> *** 3
>
> without the 4-star headline visible. If I remove one star in the first line and type
> S-TAB once or twice, then it looks like
>
> ** -
> * 1
> ** 2
>
> I found that a convenient way of controlling the depth of the CONTENT view (I believe it
> is called). That does not work any more. Typing S-TAB once or twice leads to the
> CONTENTS view that shows all headlines, no matter how many stars and independently of the
> first line.
>
> I have read that I can get the desired behavior with a numerical argument. So, I have a
> work around. GREAT!
>
> However, I find it inconsistent, that 'org-global-cycle' and 'org-cycle' work
> differently. The latter shows the old behavior (GREAT!), but can apparently not be
> controlled directly with a numerical argument, while for the former it is the other way
> around.
>
> I suggest, to enable the trick with the first line for both 'org-global-cycle' and
> 'org-cycle' and to also enable overwriting this with a numerical argument.
>
> Here is an example for 'org-cycle'
>
> * 1
> *** -
> ** A
> *** Aa
> Text
> ** B
> *** Ba
> **** Ba1
> Text
>
> Typing TAB once or twice (depending on the initial folding state) on the main headline (*
> 1) yields the view:
>
> * 1
> *** -
> ** A
> *** Aa
> ** B
> *** Ba
>
> If I remove one star in the second line (*** -), typing TAB yields
>
> * 1
> ** -
> ** A
> ** B
>
> So, that still works. But a numerical argument has no effect. However, I found that C-c
> TAB (org-show-children) does this, but why not just numerical argument plus TAB, like for
> S-TAB?
>
> Anyhow, I am extremely grateful for the org-mode and I use it daily. Thanks a lot.
>
> Best,
>
> Laurenz Wiskott.
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* Re: new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent
2023-02-06 20:08 new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent Laurenz Wiskott
2023-02-06 20:44 ` Laurenz Wiskott
@ 2023-02-08 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
[not found] ` <Y+OR/4eRUdrSJQ6P@curry>
2023-03-29 13:00 ` new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent Ihor Radchenko
1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-02-08 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurenz Wiskott; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
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Laurenz Wiskott <laurenz.wiskott@rub.de> writes:
> There is one feature however that I really miss: It used to be that I could add an entry
> with a certain number of stars in the first line, and then 'org-global-cycle' using S-TAB
> would allow to make all the headlines visible only up to that many stars. For instance,
> a file with
>
>
> *** -
> * 1
> ...
> after one or two S-TAB (depending on the initial folding state) would look like
>
> *** -
> * 1
> ** 2
> *** 3
>
> without the 4-star headline visible. If I remove one star in the first line and type
> S-TAB once or twice, then it looks like
>
> ** -
> * 1
> ** 2
>
> I found that a convenient way of controlling the depth of the CONTENT view (I believe it
> is called). That does not work any more. Typing S-TAB once or twice leads to the
> CONTENTS view that shows all headlines, no matter how many stars and independently of the
> first line.
This was not documented and caused by implementation detail.
> Here is an example for 'org-cycle'
>
> * 1
> *** -
> ** A
> *** Aa
> ...
> Typing TAB once or twice (depending on the initial folding state) on the main headline (*
> 1) yields the view:
>
> * 1
> *** -
> ** A
> *** Aa
> ** B
> *** Ba
It is a bug in `org-fold-show-children'. The reason your example works
has nothing to do with what the function intends to do.
Fix is attached.
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From a5e8062b258fc7c4e4d4129278101a8d20bb43c4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Message-Id: <a5e8062b258fc7c4e4d4129278101a8d20bb43c4.1675855848.git.yantar92@posteo.net>
From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 14:29:30 +0300
Subject: [PATCH] org-fold-show-children: Only display direct children by
default
* lisp/org-fold.el (org-fold-show-children): Clarify the docstring
emphasizing that direct children are always displayed. Fix
grandchildren being displayed when the first child has deeper level
than the next children.
---
lisp/org-fold.el | 22 ++++++++++++----------
1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/org-fold.el b/lisp/org-fold.el
index 1b7ca22b0..f9c604155 100644
--- a/lisp/org-fold.el
+++ b/lisp/org-fold.el
@@ -419,20 +419,21 @@ (defun org-fold-show-siblings ()
(defun org-fold-show-children (&optional level)
"Show all direct subheadings of this heading.
-Prefix arg LEVEL is how many levels below the current level
-should be shown. Default is enough to cause the following
-heading to appear."
+Prefix arg LEVEL is how many levels below the current level should be
+shown. If direct subheadings are deeper than LEVEL, they are still
+displayed."
(interactive "p")
(unless (org-before-first-heading-p)
(save-excursion
(org-with-limited-levels (org-back-to-heading t))
(let* ((current-level (funcall outline-level))
+ (parent-level current-level)
(max-level (org-get-valid-level
- current-level
+ parent-level
(if level (prefix-numeric-value level) 1)))
+ (min-level-direct-child most-positive-fixnum)
(end (save-excursion (org-end-of-subtree t t)))
(regexp-fmt "^\\*\\{%d,%s\\}\\(?: \\|$\\)")
- (past-first-child nil)
;; Make sure to skip inlinetasks.
(re (format regexp-fmt
current-level
@@ -448,11 +449,12 @@ (defun org-fold-show-children (&optional level)
;; MAX-LEVEL. Since we want to display it anyway, adjust
;; MAX-LEVEL accordingly.
(while (re-search-forward re end t)
- (unless past-first-child
- (setq re (format regexp-fmt
- current-level
- (max (funcall outline-level) max-level)))
- (setq past-first-child t))
+ (setq current-level (funcall outline-level))
+ (when (< current-level min-level-direct-child)
+ (setq min-level-direct-child current-level
+ re (format regexp-fmt
+ parent-level
+ (max min-level-direct-child max-level))))
(org-fold-heading nil))))))
(defun org-fold-show-subtree ()
--
2.39.1
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Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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* Re: new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent
[not found] ` <Y+USPxfpI4FXeNuX@curry>
@ 2023-02-10 11:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
[not found] ` <Y+i5i7oQ8BdSfBmk@curry>
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From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-02-10 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurenz Wiskott; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
[ Adding Org ML back to CC ]
Laurenz Wiskott <laurenz.wiskott@rub.de> writes:
>> What about only enabling this feature when you pass "0" prefix argument:
>> C-u 0 S-<tab> ?
>
> I would like to avoid the extra key strokes, and I don't know why that should be needed.
> What could this first star-line be used for except to indicate a specific default
> unfolding depth? So, I don't think anybody would use it without this intention, and
> therefore there is no need to introduce these extra key strokes.
People do all kinds of weird things including deeply nested entry on top.
I did not mean toggling, I did mean only having the proposed behavior
only with C-u 0 S-<TAB> key sequence.
In any case, I now reviewed the manual and I think that you can use
alternative approach to set which headings are visible in overview
folding state.
Try
#+STARTUP: show3levels
* 1
Text 1
** 2
Text 2
*** 3
Text 3
**** 4
Text 4
and then C-u C-u <TAB>
--
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Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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* [FR] Use empty ***** heading to indicate folding depth in org-cycle for a subtree (was: new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent)
[not found] ` <Y+i5i7oQ8BdSfBmk@curry>
@ 2023-02-13 15:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
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From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-02-13 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurenz Wiskott; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
[ Adding Org ML back to CC ]
Please, use reply-all in future when replying to emails in the mailing
list. Otherwise, the discussion will not be seen by other Org developers
and interested users.
Laurenz Wiskott <laurenz.wiskott@rub.de> writes:
>> #+STARTUP: show3levels
>
> trick does not seem to work with version 9.5.2 yet. It would also open the whole file.
Indeed, I am talking about the latest Org.
> But what I want is to TAB on a headline, and it only opens up to some predefined depth.
> 'ESC 3 SHIFT-TAB' does the trick for level 3, for instance. With my proposal, using an
> initial line with three stars, I currently save the 'ESC 3 SHIFT-'. I know it is
> considered unintended behavior. But nobody seems to have complained about this 'bug',
> thus I suggest to just leave it in there and recover it also on the global level, where
> it currently does not work anymore. But anyhow, if you don't like it, I can also live
> with 'ESC 3 SHIFT-TAB' instead of jut 'TAB'.
Note that you may achieve what you want in personal config with appropriate `org-cycle-hook'.
I am renaming this to feature request. I see not great need to add and
_maintain_ this feature, unless more people are interested.
The suggested idea, AFAIU, is
* Top heading
empty heading indicating to what level 'children cycle state is
revealing the headings.
***
** Sub 1 <displayed on cycle>
*** Sub 1.1 <also displayed, as indicated by first ***>
*** Sub 1.1.1 <not displayed>
** Sub 2 <displayed>
If one starts from
* Top heading...
and <TAB>
it is suggested to display
* Top heading
empty heading indicating to what level 'children cycle state is
revealing the headings.
***
** Sub 1
*** Sub 1.1...
** Sub 2
instead of current behavior with
* Top heading
empty heading indicating to what level 'children cycle state is
revealing the headings.
***
** Sub 1...
** Sub 2
--
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* Re: new org mode, changed folding behavior could be improved / more consistent
2023-02-08 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
[not found] ` <Y+OR/4eRUdrSJQ6P@curry>
@ 2023-03-29 13:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-03-29 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurenz Wiskott; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
> It is a bug in `org-fold-show-children'. The reason your example works
> has nothing to do with what the function intends to do.
>
> Fix is attached.
> From a5e8062b258fc7c4e4d4129278101a8d20bb43c4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> Message-Id: <a5e8062b258fc7c4e4d4129278101a8d20bb43c4.1675855848.git.yantar92@posteo.net>
> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 14:29:30 +0300
> Subject: [PATCH] org-fold-show-children: Only display direct children by
> default
Applied, onto main.
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=05ae26897
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Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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