From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Lundin Subject: Re: zotero (or mendeley) integration with org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:14:16 -0400 Message-ID: <8739m6oyqf.fsf@fastmail.fm> References: <26045.1301154464@rgc.damtp.cam.ac.uk> <87aageppnf.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87ipv2cryn.fsf@lw-wireless-pittnet-40-144.wireless.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60912 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4YkW-0005ES-2c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:14:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4YkU-0003yw-Sr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:14:19 -0400 Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:57904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4YkU-0003yp-JU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:14:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Rasmus's message of "Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:55:10 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Rasmus writes: >> [Matt and William's setup] > > I have looked for a good way to keep track of academic papers (pdfs) and > Bibtex for a long time. I'd love to see a worg page on this topic. > > Meanwhile, I have found some sweet Bibtex-search interfaces for > Emacs. These will query a academic search engine and can copy Bibtex > entries directly to a .bib file. I found bibsnarfl[fn:1] being the most > interesting, but a similar code is available for PubMed[fn:2]. > Unfortunately, being limited to certain fields, I am personally not able > to adopt either. It would be great to have an interface to a general > academic search engine (Google Scholar, ugh?). Agreed. Google Scholar citations need very close proofreading, as they can be erroneous or poorly formatted. I would submit that one should never use a Google Scholar citation without checking it carefully against the article or book to which it refers. An advantage of Google Scholar, however, is that it offers skeletal bibtex entries for books and articles in a wide variety of fields, whereas many of the databases accessed by bibsnarf are limited to math and sciences. Since I use biblatex together with the Chicago Manual of Style, any bibtex entry I clip has to be edited and tweaked substantially. (Indeed, manual editing is unavoidable when using biblatex.) FWIW, here's my workflow: 1. Clip a bibtex citation or unformatted bibliographical data using org-capture and conkeror or emacs. (This generates a timestamp and a link to where I first found the reference --- very useful data for reviewing one's own research habits and sources.) 2. Download the pdf, if possible (or make a todo to get/read it later). 3. While in the capture buffer, use org-attach to move the pdf quickly from ~/Downloads to the attachments directory (this is much faster than it sounds). 4. Create or correct a bibtex source block within the org entry. 5. Make a TODO to read the pdf. :) Later, when I read the document, I proofread the bibtex entry once again and call a function that moves it to a centralized bibtex file, leaving a link in its place. As a rule, any citation that goes into my official bibtex file *must* be correct and complete. Reftex, another of Carsten's ingenious creations, is very handy for creating links to the citation while taking notes. For my own purposes, there would be little point in automating this process, as any pdf I download needs to be inspected manually and any bibtex entry I clip needs to be proofread and tweaked. The process itself forces me to check every citation for accuracy. Best, Matt