From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Should org-insert-todo-heading be a state change? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 11:22:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87379ze5kq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58101) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVwni-0001Qd-0Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:22:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVwnh-0006N0-8V for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:22:18 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::194]:41738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVwnh-0006MC-2L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:22:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Allen Li's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:51:16 -0700") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Allen Li Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello, Allen Li writes: > Org mode allows logging timestamps and making notes when changing to a > TODO keyword: > > TODO(!) | DONE(!) > > However, org-insert-todo-heading does not respect this. > > I'm wondering whether it should. For example, given the above > keywords, the intent would most likely be to log when TODO headings > are created and when they are marked finished. > > If one were to create a heading and mark it TODO using C-c C-t, then > the state change would be logged. In other words, making a heading a > TODO entry is considered a state change from " " to "some todo > keyword". > > However, if one were to use C-S-RET, the new TODO heading would not > have a timestamp logged. > > I can't think of a situation where the current behavior is desirable, > so I am inclined to think that treating the creation of a TODO heading > as a state change from a normal heading to a TODO heading would be > more convenient. My gut feeling is that the current behaviour is also correct, and possibly less surprising. "changing" and "creating" are two different concepts. Besides, I suspect that many users create TODO headings with M-RET T O D O SPC in which case the behaviour you suggest would create a discrepancy. Eventually, in contrast to TODO state changes, you need to be at the future headline location to create it. IOW, it is very easy to add a note upon creating the headline. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou