From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id uJSAFAi7rWFDCgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 08:26:00 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id AOc1EAi7rWGWZQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 07:26:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2AD625001 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 08:25:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46734 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu8Nq-0001lL-6N for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 02:25:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu8MO-0000fb-Hk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 02:24:28 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:48849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu8MF-0005fe-56 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 02:24:25 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0616240108 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 08:24:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638775451; bh=YxpQE23UK+gnsVRgEKL7pc2LseNI4sgQ2itfxREJJnw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=owLEhHrz7MAYnIlTx+OBELVnodBD0HHiIx9lv8e1cNmkPzrIo79BtDTDswDelDn/i 9ktY+M4RlciafgkI/8Eymv1I71pfv62Apg44/y0XRZ+h/oZiGBCUDzU+LqiWBhifjI Jg9GzZbtPCt33pyArenlENXXrpxUnwyfVPTlyr8Tvy5i14igHMpNkGOOX50uF1G0Q9 lh2iO7ITJLg+XbfV3d8XEmqb8s7quzYkKGtmcBNQzwXsEZBzPwm5Kez98LY4MuzoJs fUgy6vbLd04fsXj89W/LJQxyrNkHQkzjRvT1RUxwXG0CvEHMrX2xeHULPyljxZAAdT bx6DtSML9jFzw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J6w0W0Swrz9rxN; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 08:24:10 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Timothy Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal References: <87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost> <87sfv75s4r.fsf@posteo.net> <87o85vbb9a.fsf@localhost> <87y24zs40r.fsf@posteo.net> <87lf0zb6fq.fsf@localhost> <87pmqasws7.fsf@posteo.net> <878rwyi8bt.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1aqnu3q.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 07:24:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87r1aqnu3q.fsf@gmail.com> (Timothy's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2021 14:02:27 +0800") Message-ID: <8735n6i4br.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638775560; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=YxpQE23UK+gnsVRgEKL7pc2LseNI4sgQ2itfxREJJnw=; b=lyEihpmA2Rzbocnr86rUFJWfgHe+MHaV9gWy95VMeBLnmVFHtBacO7CuK3d7zbkSNGi5GN JBkBi+9DI98ZJHR02CN9Got8HTJ66nph45pzDOT8ukgORlNksRD+1nAry9WGK8OSiFZJyN TzzeC0gSlyom9rGAnn0+Zjh9nBiphDrLmodCX6KrxqYXuk93lzM5RF9T3Jt93ZrD5dyQTJ 2R4FdDYGVSbwRyiPYpung+tH9UHHGe7VKuATxHP29MFFN5fNa4mufxs36m0fzuSpGrLaym QzHHBCfaJkU624yb7SmvZe7qKP0ZHwX6bKhZPkFCwHIMdFHynLKyf5wnMBPc9g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638775560; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XwFmDe2EeRGlY1ez9DxKIfyOQTYW0xzVOoxRF1P3e4zg1xq4+jAzQ2BbnYN8EERRGfLGlH FlRyRftVeQxrx7rv7QAmSZLD5oecIVZOHNWfKMMC+bW8ehkwMnjpvNsn1lGfufbSBPuggM wtv53gpUBqApFGb3kuKCU+jVbpteIijKJH3Lo3xSHXqqDiXFFKxTjATk4Z/5SFteW+IH5L NX2TLMjeirymAMIjmWmYjCJmQMv8Y7yFt1j8/w8/VHPCC1kEc5r+dKblZr+h9+CxjupzFf CUZ2OyONq0Jni2fxliIJ+6dR6ThYpuVZpPn1lQjiHYnVhh+u8pgZNrntBHES4w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=owLEhHrz; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (strict)" header.from=posteo.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.04 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=owLEhHrz; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (strict)" header.from=posteo.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F2AD625001 X-Spam-Score: -2.04 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: enfCvvp8Z2Iz Hi Timohy, Timothy writes: > I don=E2=80=99t think Ihor is suggesting we stop indicating that org-mode= is part of > Emacs. Of course, I am convinced that Ihor is not saying that Org is not part of Emacs, and I have to make it clear, that I have never suggested such a thing. What's more, I understand and applaud his conciliatory effort on this issue, since since a series of debates and noise have arisen here on these matters. What worries me are the consequences of insisting here on these debates. That is why I have underlined what Russell has commented, as I think he is right. On the other hand, we must not forget that Org, as part of Emacs, is part of GNU, and this is a mailing list from the GNU project. I think everything related to the (possible) extension of GNU Org Mode outside of GNU Emacs (even in software incompatible with the ethics and philosophy of the GNU project) should be considered offtopic here and be discussed in other forums. Otherwise it would only create confusion among users. Best regards, Juan Manuel=20