* couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
@ 2022-01-28 17:44 Uwe Brauer
2022-10-27 12:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2022-01-28 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi
I start with
| Example | Text | Dates | other |
|---------+---------+--------------+---------|
| this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
That is converted to
+---------+---------+--------------+---------+
| Example | Text | Dates | other |
+---------+---------+--------------+---------+
| this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
+---------+---------+--------------+---------+
And is converted back to
| Example | Text | Dates | other |
| this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?
Regards
Uwe Brauer
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-01-28 17:44 couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline Uwe Brauer
@ 2022-10-27 12:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-28 14:41 ` Uwe Brauer
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-10-27 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Brauer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
> I start with
>
>
>
> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
> |---------+---------+--------------+---------|
> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>
>
> That is converted to
>
>
>
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>
>
> And is converted back to
>
>
> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>
>
> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?
That would not make sense.
AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-10-27 12:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-10-28 14:41 ` Uwe Brauer
2022-10-29 4:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2022-10-28 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-orgmode
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>>> "IR" == Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>> I start with
>>
>>
>>
>> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
>> |---------+---------+--------------+---------|
>> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>>
>>
>> That is converted to
>>
>>
>>
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>>
>>
>> And is converted back to
>>
>>
>> | Example | Text | Dates | other |
>> | this | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>>
>>
>> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?
> That would not make sense.
> AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
> table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.
It would make sense if I later want to export the final table (after converting org-->table-->org
To say latex. There the hlines make a difference, that is why I am asking
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-10-28 14:41 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2022-10-29 4:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-29 6:42 ` Uwe Brauer
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From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-10-29 4:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Brauer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>>> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?
>
>> That would not make sense.
>> AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
>> table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.
>
> It would make sense if I later want to export the final table (after converting org-->table-->org
org-->table conversion is not reversible. hlines are not part of
table.el syntax and cannot be retained.
> To say latex. There the hlines make a difference, that is why I am asking
I recommend using native Org tables.
Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-10-29 4:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-10-29 6:42 ` Uwe Brauer
2022-10-29 6:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2022-10-29 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-orgmode
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> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
org--> table conversion is not reversible. hlines are not part of
> table.el syntax and cannot be retained.
> I recommend using native Org tables.
> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
Merging and splitting cells!
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-10-29 6:42 ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2022-10-29 6:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-29 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
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From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2022-10-29 6:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Brauer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
>
> Merging and splitting cells!
Can you please send a separate message detailing the feature request and
how you envision this functionality to work? (I know that many people
desire this feature, but it is not easy. A good dedicated discussion
may help to push things forward in this area.)
Also, I am wondering what happens with merged cells when you convert
from table.el to native Org tables. I suspect that it does not work
well...
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* Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline
2022-10-29 6:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2022-10-29 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2022-10-29 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-orgmode
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>>> "IR" == Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>>> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
>>
>> Merging and splitting cells!
> Can you please send a separate message detailing the feature request and
> how you envision this functionality to work? (I know that many people
> desire this feature, but it is not easy. A good dedicated discussion
> may help to push things forward in this area.)
Ok I do this later.
I suspect that the wrapping function might be useful.
> Also, I am wondering what happens with merged cells when you convert
> from table.el to native Org tables. I suspect that it does not work
> well...
Well the hline problem makes it somehow difficult 😉
But when I was able to convert, the merged cells end up as individual
cells, so it did not help
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I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT.
I support the EU membership of the Ukraine.
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