From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Gerhard Butscher" Subject: org-drill vocabulary and question about properties Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:56:44 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hs750-0002pj-Lj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:56:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hs74z-0003Ab-Re for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:56:50 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hs74z-0003A0-GB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:56:49 -0400 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org

Hello,

I intend to use org-drill for learning vocabulary (german-spanish). Does anybody know a repository of such a vocabulary?

As far as I know the inner workings of org-drill are placed in the :PROPERTIES: section of the item. When I use :DRILL_CARD_TYPE: twosided then the item gets questioned some time in german and some time in spanish. But the PROPERTIES are still only once there. If I want to track the learning in both directions separately, I need to make two items for one word, once german-spanish and once spanish-german. Am I right?

Sincerely
Gerhard

From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Subject: Re: org-drill vocabulary and question about properties Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 12:44:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87imri4ee1.fsf@russet.org.uk> References:

Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48937) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hsn2q-0000BA-GM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:45:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hsn2p-00070V-Ji for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:45:24 -0400 Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:47484) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hsn2p-0006Vm-69 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:45:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Gerhard Butscher's message of "Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:56:44 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Gerhard Butscher Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org "Gerhard Butscher" writes: > Hello, I intend to use org-drill for learning vocabulary > (german-spanish). Does anybody know a repository of such a vocabulary? > > As far as I know the inner workings of org-drill are placed in the > :PROPERTIES: section of the item. When I use :DRILL_CARD_TYPE: > twosided then the item gets questioned some time in german and some > time in spanish. But the PROPERTIES are still only once there. If I > want to track the learning in both directions separately, I need to > make two items for one word, once german-spanish and once > spanish-german. Am I right? Yes, the properties are shared. For language learning, I use multi-cloze cards with "hide1_firstmore". So: It: [Ciao] En: [Hello/Goodbye] So you learn in both directions, but see the foreign language phrase more often (assuming you are not Italian, of course). My experience is you are better of making your own vocabulary -- since you need to use org-drill learning to reinforce other forms of learning, and you spend more time learning the vocab than you will writing it. The only bits that I automate are the verb tables. Phil From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Milan Zamazal Subject: Re: org-drill vocabulary and question about properties Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:32:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87r266xanj.fsf@zamazal.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hsuL5-0007I4-Tt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:32:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hsuL5-0006on-3x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:32:43 -0400 Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:33012 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hsuL4-0006m0-ST for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:32:43 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hsuL1-000fXr-21 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:32:39 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> "GB" == Gerhard Butscher writes: GB> As far as I know the inner workings of org-drill are placed in GB> the : PROPERTIES: section of the item. When I use GB> :DRILL_CARD_TYPE: twosided then the item gets questioned some GB> time in german and some time in spanish. But the PROPERTIES are GB> still only once there. If I want to track the learning in both GB> directions separately, I need to make two items for one word, GB> once german-spanish and once spanish-german. Am I right? AFAIK yes. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bob Newell Subject: Re: org-drill vocabulary and question about properties Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:09:37 -1000 Message-ID: <871ry5inta.fsf@bobnewell.net> References: <87r266xanj.fsf@zamazal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53787) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ht1TM-0006YX-6J for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:09:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ht1TL-00007Y-6i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:09:44 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x629.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::629]:43654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ht1TK-00006B-PE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:09:43 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-x629.google.com with SMTP id 4so24450651pld.10 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (udp072992uds.hawaiiantel.net. [141.239.244.209]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v138sm79967314pfc.15.2019.07.31.20.09.38 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:09:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r266xanj.fsf@zamazal.org> (Milan Zamazal's message of "Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:32:32 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Milan Zamazal writes: > GB> still only once there. If I want to track the learning in both > GB> directions separately, I need to make two items for one word, > GB> once german-spanish and once spanish-german. Am I right? I've used org-drill for both English/Hawaiian and English/Hindi, and I've never been able to get balanced two-way drills without making separate cards for each direction. But making card pairs is really easy to automate. I make a .org file with words in one direction only, semicolon separated like this: hindiword1;englishword1 hindiword2;englishword2 etc. etc. and then call the following elisp. (Obviously works for any pair of languages.) The elisp sets up a two-way org drill file that does what I want. The coding is crude and could be improved however it works, which is something of a benefit :) ;; Make Hindi flashcards for org-drill ;; Pseudo-Two sided, English/Hindi (defun org-make-hindi () "Make Hindi flashcards" (interactive) (goto-char (point-min)) ;; Process each line top to bottom. (while (not (eobp)) (beginning-of-line) (setq frontofline (point)) (search-forward ";") (backward-delete-char 1) (setq partone (buffer-substring frontofline (point))) (delete-region frontofline (point)) (setq frontofline (point)) (end-of-line) (setq parttwo (buffer-substring frontofline (point))) (delete-region frontofline (point)) (delete-char 1) (insert (concat "** Word :drill:\n:PROPERTIES:\n:END:\n" partone "\n*** A\n" parttwo "\n" "** Word :drill:\n:PROPERTIES:\n:END:\n" parttwo "\n" "*** A\n" partone "\n")) ) ) -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i * Via Gnus/BBDB/Org/Emacs/Linux *