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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=UKtHUTJa; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=web.de (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: 9Y0G0PTHNZoZ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kyle Meyer writes: > So, it seems that changing Org to honor electric-indent-mode is now > making some users aware of org-adapt-indentation and that its default > value is not what they want. I=E2=80=99ve seen before that increasing the depth of a headline with M-=E2= =86=92 indents all its content. That was mildly annoying, but nothing to worry about. It=E2=80=99s the change to the behavior of RET that disturbs my writing flo= w. Now I always have to hit RET twice, or hit RET C-a to start typing. It=E2=80=99s not just about the default, it is about long-standing muscle m= emory suddenly being wrong. This breaks my workflow on an update and requires me to start digging to find out how to get my system back into a good state. That=E2=80=99s something which makes me nervous, because I often don=E2=80= =99t have the time or energy to investigate when something breaks, so when that workflow is broken, I=E2=80=99m bound to operate on a broken workflow for anything from days to months, because I cannot estimate how much time will be required to fix it (and at work I should not just take 3 hours off to search for some configuration value). Best wishes, Arne PS: I started to donate to org-mode a few weeks ago when I realized just how central it is to my workflows. 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