emacs-orgmode@gnu.org archives
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com>
To: org-mode-email <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr
Subject: Org Syntax Specification
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:02:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871r1g936z.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2554 bytes --]

Hi All,

I’ve talked about adding citation syntax to the org-syntax document before, and
previously expressed the thought that it could be generally improved quite a
bit. This has culminated me in spending the last few days straight working on a
rewrite of org-syntax.org to try to bring it closer to the point where we can
knock “(draft)” out of the title 🙂.

Ihor has been a tremendous help pointing out inaccuracies and explaining some of
the parsing behaviour (thanks!), which has allowed me to get it to a point where
I think it would benefit from wider feedback.

I’ve just pushed my latest revision to worg as
<https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax-edited.html>. Personally though, I think
it’s best viewed as a PDF, so I’ve also uploaded the PDF export to
<https://0x0.st/oiM5.pdf>.

It would be great if those of you with an interest/understanding of Org’s syntax
could have a look and let me know what you think. I think the best way to
compare to the current org-syntax.org would be to put them side-by-side. I’ve
attempted to list the main changes I’ve made in the appendix, however I’ve
likely missed things.

Lastly, having spent a while looking at the syntax, I’m wondering if we should
take this opportunity to mark some of the syntactic elements we’ve become less
happy with as *(depreciated)*. I’m specifically thinking of the TeX-style LaTeX
fragments which have been a bit of a pain. To quote Nicolas in org-syntax.org:
      It would introduce incompatibilities with previous Org versions,
      but support for `$...$' (and for symmetry, `$$...$$') constructs
      ought to be removed.

      They are slow to parse, fragile, redundant and imply false
      positives.  — ngz

Marking this as depreciated would have no effect on Org’s current behaviour, but
we could:
1. Mark as depreciated now-ish
2. Add a utility to convert from TeX-style to LaTeX-style
3. Add org lint/fortification warnings
4. A while later (half a decade? more?) actually remove support

The other component of the syntax which feels particularly awkward to me is
source block switches. They seem a bit odd, and since arguments exist,
completely redundant.

――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――

That’s all for now, I hope you all had a great Christmas and new year!

All the best,
Timothy

[-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 7068 bytes --]

             reply	other threads:[~2022-01-09 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-09 18:02 Timothy [this message]
2022-01-15 12:40 ` Org Syntax Specification Sébastien Miquel
2022-01-15 16:36   ` Depreciating TeX-style LaTeX fragments (was: Org Syntax Specification) Timothy
2022-01-16  8:08     ` Sébastien Miquel
2022-01-16  9:23       ` Depreciating TeX-style LaTeX fragments Martin Steffen
2022-01-16  9:46       ` Colin Baxter 😺
2022-01-16 11:11         ` Tim Cross
2022-01-16 13:26         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-01-16 14:43           ` Colin Baxter 😺
2022-01-16 15:16             ` Greg Minshall
2022-01-16 17:45         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-01-16 12:10     ` Eric S Fraga
2022-01-16 14:30       ` Anthony Cowley
2022-01-18  0:54 ` Org Syntax Specification Tom Gillespie
2022-01-18 12:09   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-19  1:22     ` Tom Gillespie
2022-01-19 11:58       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25  9:09 ` Bastien
2022-09-25 21:28   ` Rohit Patnaik
2022-11-26  2:41   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-26  6:24     ` Bastien
2022-11-26  6:05   ` Ihor Radchenko

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.orgmode.org/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=871r1g936z.fsf@gmail.com \
    --to=tecosaur@gmail.com \
    --cc=emacs-orgmode@gnu.org \
    --cc=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).