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[2001:44b8:31f2:bb00:842a:7361:87c7:2662]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e22-20020a656496000000b0043be00f867fsm4368885pgv.60.2022.09.22.16.15.12 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 22 Sep 2022 16:15:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.0; emacs 29.0.50 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Matrix (was Re: IM dev discussions?) 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It may work. > > I agree with Russell that we should first use the available resources, > and our IRC chan on irc.libera.chat is a good one. > > (I'm actually there BTW, lurking - you can ping me anytime as I can > read past messages, thanks to being connected with my sr.ht account.) > > But IMO there is an even stronger argument: in the case of Org, we > should encourage discussions where both "users" and "developers" can > chime in. Because many Org users are potential contributors. (This > would not be the same with another Free Software project, of course.) > > If #org-mode can serve for both general questions and dev-oriented > discussion it's good. If it becomes annoying for many readers, then > setting up transient chans is okay (even on matrix), the same way it > is okay to sit in a room and hack/discuss possible new Org features > with peers. > > In general, Org contributors with push access can fix bugs directly, > without announcing this on the mailing list. But *all other changes* > should be submitted and discussed on this mailing list. Just wondering what the better approach is these days. I've not used IRC much for a long, long time. I see discussions about matrix and believe there is an Emacs matrix package as well as matrix to IRC bridges. One thing I do find frustrating these days is the fracturing of communications across so many different solutions. Makes me really miss newsgroups! It seems like almost every project I'm interested in these days is using a different solution for IM. (one reason I stopped using IRC was because most of the projects I was interested in stopped using it or the majority of interesting discussions moved to some other platform). To avoid a proliferation of IM apps, I get the impression you could use Matrix and get access to many different messaging environments. Is this correct and is the Emacs matrix client mature/stable?