From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: LaTeX export: Skip headline lines? "Paragraph" sectioning? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:54:24 -1000 Message-ID: <86EDC831-F315-431E-B4F7-105C0632BDF3@tsdye.com> References: <15790.1283141198@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <20131.1283147209@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1914834795==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50775 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OpyGH-0007Bm-Nv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:54:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OpyGG-0008MC-J2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:54:33 -0400 Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com ([69.89.21.8]:43110) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OpyGG-0008LN-B0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:54:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20131.1283147209@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Cc: org-mode --===============1914834795== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--98613716 --Apple-Mail-14--98613716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 29, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nick Dokos wrote: > Scot Becker wrote: > >> He wants to write up a document using org-mode's outline facilities >> as >> a skeleton to help him build up, navigate and visualize his document, >> but then he wants only to use SOME of the headlines but ALL of the >> text when he actually makes a printed version for others to read. >> I've wanted this as well, since when you think about it the structure >> you need as a writer may not be the structure you want to pass on to >> your readers. >> > > OK, thanks for the clarification: that was one of the interpretations > that did not make much sense to me, but I was looking at it from a > much > more rigid point of view, where the headlines are what give > structure to > the document, so you want to preserve them at all costs; I wasn't > thinking about different meanings that they might have for different > people. > > However, it still sounds like an ill-defined problem to me: in > particular, your manual algorithm would wreak havoc on an outline with > headlines at multiple levels. What is the "real" algorithm supposed to > do with something like this: > > ,---- > | * foo > | text1 > | ** foo1 > | text2 > | * bar :omit-this-header: > | text3 > | **bar2 :omit-this-header: > | text4 > | ***bar3 > | text5 > `---- > > Or are we supposed to imagine headings at a single level only? > > I suspect that one would be better off with two (or more) outlines: > one for > the writer, one for the reader (perhaps one for each class of > readers), with > some way to pick text from one outline and plug it into the other(s). > > Nick Aloha Alan et al., This is what I use LaTeX blocks in Babel for. The outline stuff that helps me write is separate from the stuff I actually write. I've been doing this for a while now and have been amazed at how much of what I write gets left behind, including headlines. All the best, Tom --Apple-Mail-14--98613716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Aug 29, 2010, at = 7:46 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:

Scot = Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> = wrote:

He wants to write up a document = using org-mode's outline facilities as
a skeleton to help him build up, navigate and visualize = his document,
but then he = wants only to use SOME of the headlines but ALL of = the
text when he actually = makes a printed version for others to = read.  
I've wanted = this as well, since when you think about it the = structure
you need as a writer = may not be the structure you want to pass on = to
your = readers.


OK, thanks for the clarification: = that was one of the interpretations
that did not make much sense to = me, but I was looking at it from a much
more rigid point of view, = where the headlines are what give structure to
the document, so you = want to preserve them at all costs; I wasn't
thinking about different = meanings that they might have for different
people.

However, = it still sounds like an ill-defined problem to me: in
particular, = your manual algorithm would wreak havoc on an outline with
headlines = at multiple levels. What is the "real" algorithm supposed to
do with = something like this:

,----
| * foo
| text1
| ** = foo1
| text2
| * bar =             &n= bsp;    :omit-this-header:
| text3
| **bar2 =             &n= bsp;   :omit-this-header:
| text4
| ***bar3
| = text5
`----

Or are we supposed to imagine headings at a single = level only?

I suspect that one would be better off with two (or = more) outlines: one for
the writer, one for the reader (perhaps one = for each class of readers), with
some way to pick text from one = outline and plug it into the other(s).

Nick

Aloh= a Alan et al.,

This is w= hat I use LaTeX blocks in Babel for. =  The outline stuff that helps me write is separate from the stuff I = actually write.  I've been doing this for a while now and have been = amazed at how much of what I write gets left behind, including = headlines.

All the = best,
Tom
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