From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Richard Lawrence Subject: Re: Citations, continued Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:22:50 -0800 Message-ID: <861tlxn3c5.fsf@berkeley.edu> References: <87vbjmn6wy.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87sieokx8e.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d04780.cb58460a.5243.2603@mx.google.com> <87h9v3li8t.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d078ff.b044440a.06ec.3cf6@mx.google.com> <87d25rkmag.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d1bc7b.c57d440a.3c5d.2dca@mx.google.com> <87vbjh284z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87mw4tk4m7.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87oap7z664.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87fvaibr3k.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87y4o9s5qc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d25kpxap.fsf@pank.eu> <87k2zsso3w.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87vbjcoewx.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnl4shqg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h9uwwmgt.fsf@gmx.us> <87zj8oqqtz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87386eywus.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r3tydswi.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34919) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDaa-00053V-EM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:23:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDaV-0003Pf-Ed for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:23:04 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:43687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDaV-0003PW-8B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:22:59 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDaS-0005cd-Op for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:22:56 +0100 Received: from c-67-169-117-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([67.169.117.151]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:22:56 +0100 Received: from richard.lawrence by c-67-169-117-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:22:56 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Rasmus writes: > So, the (opinionated) useful defaults in biblatex are: > cite(s), parencite(s), footcite(s), texcite(s), fullcite, > footfullcite, nocite So that is to say we need to be able to express the following distinctions (did I miss anything?): - in-text vs. parenthetical (parencite vs. textcite) - normal citation vs. multi-cite citation with common pre and post notes (-s variants) - producing a full bibliography entry, or not (-full- variants) - footnoted, or not (foot- variants) - producing output, or not (nocite) I am not sure about that the last two need to be represented in citation syntax itself. Do we need a separate way of indicating that a citation should appear in a footnote? Org already has footnote syntax...can't authors just put citations in an Org footnote? As for nocites, I liked your earlier suggestion that we have a #+NOCITE keyword (which could be specified multiple times). So I am not sure this needs to be in citation syntax proper, either. > Citation types for extracting parts: > citeauthor, citetitle, citeyear, citedate, citeurl, As I've said in other posts, I think maybe we should not think of these as `citation' commands and thus don't need to represent them in citation syntax. Instead I suggest we give authors tools to insert this information into documents directly. Best, Richard