From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Diego Zamboni Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. " References: <87lgd671k7.fsf@bzg.fr> <87o9i2p9qq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87k1sq6znz.fsf@bzg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6B20030B-8BD3-444C-9FB4-9B5127962657" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCrkw-00067L-50 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCrks-0008IZ-LR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:13:06 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]:34681) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCrks-0008IG-B0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:13:02 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a137so7729007wme.1 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87k1sq6znz.fsf@bzg.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Bastien Cc: Diego Zamboni , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nicolas Goaziou --Apple-Mail=_6B20030B-8BD3-444C-9FB4-9B5127962657 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, > On 29 Apr 2018, at 13:05, Bastien wrote: > Again, I may be wrong in thinking disabling this will cause trouble to > many users. Let's just take a moment to see what users think. Here=E2=80=99s my 2 cents: I=E2=80=99ve only been using org-mode for a = few months now, but almost from the beginning I learned about org-tempo = and the =E2=80=9C
Hi,

On = 29 Apr 2018, at 13:05, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
Again, I may be = wrong in thinking disabling this will cause trouble to
many users.  Let's just take a moment to = see what users think.

Here=E2=80=99s my 2 cents: I=E2=80=99ve only been using = org-mode for a few months now, but almost from the beginning I learned = about org-tempo and the =E2=80=9C<s" expansions, so I got used to = them. I find it very natural and quick to type. At some point it became = necessary to add "(require org-tempo)" to my init file, which didn=E2=80=99= t bother me.

Since a few weeks ago (around 9.1.10-11, maybe?) the = =E2=80=9C<s" expansion seems a bit broken - if I try to use it in the = middle of a file and there is a block of the same type further down in = the file, then only the opening line of the block is inserted. So I=E2=80=99= ve been using "C-c C-," more, which seems to work fine. I just now = realized (thanks to Nicolas=E2=80=99 comment) that it works on regions, = which is nice (I had been using "org-babel-demarcate-block=E2=80=9D - = =E2=80=9CC-c C-v d=E2=80=9D for that).

So, to summarize: I don=E2=80=99t mind = having to load org-tempo explicitly, but it wold be nice to make the = change visible (maybe make ORG-NEWS more visible) and to fix the bug I = mentioned.

Best,
=E2=80=94Diego

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