From: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [ANN] BREAKING CHANGE -- removing #+BABEL file-wide property lines
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:28:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <80sjmmvm60.fsf@somewhere.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87vcrjfgt1.fsf@gmail.com
Hi Eric and Nick,
Eric Schulte wrote:
> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> Eric Schulte <schulte.eric-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> > Other than "colon confusion" (having to specify ``:results silent'' on
>>> > the src block header line and ``results silent'' in the #+PROPERTY line
>>> > to get the same behavior), this looks better. Not sure what (if
>>> > anything) can or should be done about the colons.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't know of a good solution for colons. If we decided to add colons
>>> then the subtree property blocks would become akward, with entries like
>>>
>>> ** foo
>>> :PROPERTIES:
>>> ::results: silent
>>> :END:
>>>
>>> I would say we could look for each value both with and without colons,
>>> but property searches of this nature are slow and doubling the speed
>>> impact simply for allow colon flexibility doesn't seem to be a good
>>> tradeoff. I think this will just have to be something that users will
>>> need to learn.
>>
>> [fn:1] ...but I take some perverse pleasure from the fact that both
>> Suvayu and Seb asked the question :-)
>
> I noticed that too, and it no doubt means that this same question will
> occur to future users.
I knew there was no beginning colon in the #+PROPERTY line (and that does not
bother me).
>> For example, how do we translate, in the new syntax,
>>
>> #+BABEL: :results output code append
>>
>> (where `:results' is the "name", and `output', `code' and `append' are
>> "values")?
>
> The above would become
>
> #+PROPERTY: results output code append
>
> Since only one property may be specified per property line there is no
> need for colons. This mirrors exactly the way the properties are saved
> under subtrees in :PROPERTY: blocks.
>
> Multiple lines may be used to specify multiple properties. e.g.,
>
> #+PROPERTY: results silent
> #+PROPERTY: cache yes
*But* I did not know it was limited to _one property per line_.
Knowing that:
- there is no confusion at all -- we simply (have to) know that the first word
is the "name" without colon, and the rest are "values"
- my argument in favor of #+PROPERTIES (over #+PROPERTY) simply falls.
To sum up, I'm perfectly happy with the new choice.
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-20 19:43 [ANN] BREAKING CHANGE -- removing #+BABEL file-wide property lines Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 20:06 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-20 20:12 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 20:51 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-20 21:04 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-20 21:50 ` [RFC] Standardized code block keywords Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 1:52 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-21 2:57 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-21 7:26 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-21 16:12 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 19:10 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-23 12:20 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-23 16:09 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-24 5:49 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-21 8:17 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-21 16:17 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 17:37 ` Sebastien Vauban
[not found] ` <CAGhLh6GXg6nMZ-xdu-EP=YRx7Pznrme2Yq1S0vdc6Yq0tPMxFg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-25 6:59 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-21 16:08 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 16:05 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 18:02 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-22 15:19 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 7:43 ` Torsten Wagner
2011-10-21 8:27 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-21 16:25 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 16:24 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 17:41 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-24 1:06 ` Torsten Wagner
2011-10-25 6:44 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-25 7:24 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-25 8:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-21 12:22 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-10-21 16:27 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 17:48 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 19:24 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2011-10-23 12:42 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-24 7:37 ` Eric S Fraga
2011-10-24 14:39 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2011-10-24 7:47 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 1:30 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-25 7:14 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-25 8:14 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 14:44 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-25 15:38 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-25 15:42 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-25 16:28 ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-25 16:49 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-25 17:21 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-26 5:58 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-26 13:10 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2011-10-26 14:41 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-26 15:04 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-27 5:25 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-28 16:49 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-28 18:31 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-28 18:40 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-28 18:52 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-28 23:22 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-28 23:39 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-29 2:18 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-31 7:25 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-31 19:01 ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01 6:34 ` C-c C-c not working at end of #+end_src line (was: [RFC] Standardized code block keywords) Daniel Bausch
2011-10-25 14:17 ` [RFC] Standardized code block keywords Eric Schulte
2011-10-26 5:41 ` Daniel Bausch
2011-10-26 6:17 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-26 12:16 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 18:14 ` Thorsten
2011-10-20 21:34 ` [ANN] BREAKING CHANGE -- removing #+BABEL file-wide property lines Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 21:44 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-20 21:52 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 22:23 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-20 21:47 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-20 21:54 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 21:57 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-20 21:48 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-20 21:57 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-20 22:08 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-20 22:18 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 7:28 ` Sebastien Vauban [this message]
2011-10-21 8:14 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-21 9:12 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-21 10:47 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-21 10:59 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-21 11:17 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-21 11:18 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-21 17:37 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 18:09 ` Nick Dokos
2011-10-22 15:25 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 18:35 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-21 18:40 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-22 7:58 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-24 9:44 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-22 15:52 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-22 19:07 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-24 10:10 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-24 11:37 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-24 12:11 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-24 12:38 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-24 15:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-10-24 9:50 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-25 9:35 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 10:06 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-25 10:31 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 11:47 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-10-25 14:13 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-26 14:00 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-26 15:20 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-22 15:26 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-21 20:24 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-21 21:05 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2011-10-22 7:08 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-22 15:53 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-24 18:07 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2011-10-31 18:53 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-31 20:18 ` Samuel Wales
[not found] ` <87obwwkia5.fsf@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAJcAo8scJXx=3s0f_FDAJXFKW2uh5gFTHwgDRbM6xXohr5ZPzQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-31 22:22 ` Samuel Wales
2011-11-01 1:28 ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01 14:26 ` Nick Dokos
2011-11-01 15:02 ` Nick Dokos
2011-11-01 15:17 ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-02 11:12 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-02 12:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-02 14:16 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-03 18:40 ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-03 18:51 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-04 9:15 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-02 12:57 ` Brian Wightman
2011-11-02 14:18 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-03 1:29 ` Bastien
2011-10-20 21:27 ` Christian Moe
2011-10-20 21:32 ` Nick Dokos
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