From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Questions on LaTeX Exporter Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:25:09 -1000 Message-ID: <80B13489-D629-4DE3-A344-6A74EE38D804@tsdye.com> References: <87ei6lpa06.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--1062237699 Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47194 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pw0qb-0006PP-6a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:25:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pw0qZ-0007eF-OY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:25:17 -0500 Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com ([69.89.21.11]:37735) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pw0qZ-0007ds-GL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:25:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ei6lpa06.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail-12--1062237699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aloha Rasmus, On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Rasmus wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to move more seriouse text tasks from AUCTeX to Org. =20 > Mostly > because it allows me to link to pdf articles, and have * COMMENT in =20= > the > same file. > This would make you an "early adopter." I haven't been able to solve =20= all the issues translating from Org-mode to LaTeX yet, but I recently =20= completed a conference paper without using babel code blocks and it =20 looks fine. Of course, the paper doesn't have abbreviations that end =20= with dots ... > However, I have noticed at least one non-acceptable issue. When using > using English, LaTeX (via Babel or just default) full-stops (=E2=89=88do= uble > space) will be inserted after dots. However, with abbrevation one =20 > would > use an ordinary space (i.e.\ an escaped space ("\ ") in LaTeX). Org =20= > does > not seem to notice abbrivations=E2=80=94how could it?=E2=80=94and = further "\ " is > interpreted literaly. I need to have an escaped space. > > One solution, which would yield much overheat, would be to use babel =20= > and > LaTeX fragments. See: > > = http://repo.or.cz/w/Worg.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/org-contrib/babel/examples/o= 18.org > Yes, and the overhead does get in the way, at least for my writing =20 projects. Literate programming of prose, which is essentially what =20 LaTeX code blocks in babel yield, is a bit different than LP for a =20 software project. In my experience, prose blocks don't require as =20 much explanation as source code often does, so some of the rationale =20 for literate programming isn't applicable, and it is very difficult, =20 at least for me, to stitch together good prose if isn't organized =20 linearly. A typical paragraph isn't as independent as a well-written =20= function. I haven't figured out how to write a generic segue. On the other hand, I think it is the only way currently to get from =20 Org-mode to perfect LaTeX. > Also, for fixme notes, I use =3D[[latex:fixme][insert citation]]=3D at = the > moment. Does anybody have a nicer solution? For example, having the > fixme note folded, placed in a footnote or similar? > If you figure this one out, please share. I've been over-using the =20 extensible link syntax. It is great, no doubt about it, but after a =20 while it feels like I'm working for Org-mode rather than the other way =20= round. All the best, Tom > --=20 > Thanks, > Rasmus > > > --Apple-Mail-12--1062237699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aloha = Rasmus,

On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Rasmus = wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to move more seriouse text = tasks from AUCTeX to Org. Mostly
because it allows me to link to pdf = articles, and have * COMMENT in the
same = file.


This would make you an = "early adopter."  I haven't been able to solve all the issues = translating from Org-mode to LaTeX yet, but I recently completed a = conference paper without using babel code blocks and it looks fine. =  Of course, the paper doesn't have abbreviations that end with dots = ...

However, I have noticed = at least one non-acceptable issue. When using
using English, LaTeX = (via Babel or just default) full-stops (=E2=89=88double
space) will = be inserted after dots. However, with abbrevation one would
use an = ordinary space (i.e.\ an escaped space ("\ ") in LaTeX). Org does
not = seem to notice abbrivations=E2=80=94how could it?=E2=80=94and further "\ = " is
interpreted literaly. I need to have an escaped space.

One solution, which would yield much overheat, would = be to use babel and
LaTeX fragments. See:

 http://repo.or.cz/w/Worg.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/org-contrib/= babel/examples/o18.org


Yes, = and the overhead does get in the way, at least for my writing projects. =  Literate programming of prose, which is essentially what LaTeX = code blocks in babel yield, is a bit different than LP for a software = project.  In my experience, prose blocks don't require as much = explanation as source code often does, so some of the rationale for = literate programming isn't applicable, and it is very difficult, at = least for me, to stitch together good prose if isn't organized linearly. =  A typical paragraph isn't as independent as a well-written = function.  I haven't figured out how to write a generic = segue.

On the other hand, I think it is the = only way currently to get from Org-mode to perfect LaTeX. =  

Also, for fixme = notes, I use =3D[[latex:fixme][insert citation]]=3D at the
moment. = Does anybody have a nicer solution? For example, having the
fixme = note folded, placed in a footnote or = similar?


If you figure = this one out, please share.  I've been over-using the extensible = link syntax.  It is great, no doubt about it, but after a while it = feels like I'm working for Org-mode rather than the other way = round.

All the = best,
Tom

-- =
Thanks,
Rasmus




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