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* [Bug] local variables definition at beginning of file is ignored
@ 2011-09-22  7:36 Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-09-22  9:48 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-09-22  7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi everybody,

in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/47043 I've posted two
examples of local file definitions at the top of an org file which are
silently ignored for seemingly unrelated parts in the org file. The
definitions work if they are put at the end of the org file. 

This inconsistency is a bug, isn't it? Also, are local variables
documented somewhere? I couldn't find anything in the manual.

Cheers,
Viktor

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* Re: [Bug] local variables definition at beginning of file is ignored
  2011-09-22  7:36 [Bug] local variables definition at beginning of file is ignored Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-09-22  9:48 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-09-22  9:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Never mind, Nick Dokos explained the behavior here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/47043/focus=47091

Cheers,
Viktor

Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> 
> in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/47043 I've posted two
> examples of local file definitions at the top of an org file which are
> silently ignored for seemingly unrelated parts in the org file. The
> definitions work if they are put at the end of the org file. 
> 
> This inconsistency is a bug, isn't it? Also, are local variables
> documented somewhere? I couldn't find anything in the manual.
> 
> Cheers,
> Viktor

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* Re: [Bug] local variables definition at beginning of file is ignored
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
@ 2011-09-22 14:43   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-09-22 14:58     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-19 16:47   ` [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Nick Dokos
                     ` (6 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-09-22 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> 
> in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/47043 I've posted two
> examples of local file definitions at the top of an org file which are
> silently ignored for seemingly unrelated parts in the org file. The
> definitions work if they are put at the end of the org file. 
> 
> This inconsistency is a bug, isn't it? Also, are local variables
> documented somewhere? I couldn't find anything in the manual.
> 

No, it's not. Did you see my reply to Darlan's mail last night?

Nick

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* Re: [Bug] local variables definition at beginning of file is ignored
  2011-09-22 14:43   ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-09-22 14:58     ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-09-22 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everybody,
> > 
> > in http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/47043 I've posted two
> > examples of local file definitions at the top of an org file which are
> > silently ignored for seemingly unrelated parts in the org file. The
> > definitions work if they are put at the end of the org file. 
> > 
> > This inconsistency is a bug, isn't it? Also, are local variables
> > documented somewhere? I couldn't find anything in the manual.
> > 
> 
> No, it's not. Did you see my reply to Darlan's mail last night?
> 

Sorry, I jumped the gun: I should have read further in the list.

Nick

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* [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
@ 2011-10-18 13:20 Sebastien Vauban
  2011-10-18 16:15 ` Eric Schulte
  2011-10-19 16:29 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-18 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ

#+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700

* Show code of stored procedure

Despite telling Babel that I'd like to see the output as it is, it displays it
in a 4-column table.

See http://i.imgur.com/neDO3.png for the original layout in SQL Query Analyser
(1 column, 34 lines).

Babel seems to interpret every *leading space* as *one empty column*. Normal,
feature, bug?

Is there some workaround to this?  I thought stating "scalar" would really
completely override any interpretation...

** Code

This is an example of code run against a Microsoft SQL server.

#+begin_src sql :eval yes :results output scalar
EXEC sp_helptext 'dt_setpropertybyid'
#+end_src

#+results:
| Text                                    |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|-----------------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------------------------------------------|
| /*                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| **                                      | If the property already exists, reset the value; otherwise add property |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| **                                      |                                                                         | id -- the id in sysobjects of the object                                                    |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| **                                      |                                                                         | property -- the name of the property                                                        |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| **                                      |                                                                         | value -- the text value of the property                                                     |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| **                                      |                                                                         | lvalue -- the binary value of the property (image)                                          |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| */                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| create procedure dbo.dt_setpropertybyid |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | @id int,                                                                |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | @property varchar(64),                                                  |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | @value varchar(255),                                                    |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | @lvalue image                                                           |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
| as                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | set nocount on                                                          |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | declare @uvalue nvarchar(255)                                           |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | set @uvalue = convert(nvarchar(255), @value)                            |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | if exists (select * from dbo.dtproperties                               |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             | where objectid=@id and property=@property) |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | begin                                                                   |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         | --                                                                                          |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         | -- bump the version count for this row as we update it                                      |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         | --                                                                                          |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         | update dbo.dtproperties set value=@value, uvalue=@uvalue, lvalue=@lvalue, version=version+1 |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             | where objectid=@id and property=@property  |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | end                                                                     |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
|                                         | else                                                                    |                                                                                             |                                            |
...

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-18 13:20 [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Sebastien Vauban
@ 2011-10-18 16:15 ` Eric Schulte
  2011-10-19  9:19   ` Sebastien Vauban
  2011-10-19 16:29 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-10-18 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Seb,

I've just pushed up a fix which should resolve this issue.

Best -- Eric

"Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:

> #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700
>
> * Show code of stored procedure
>
> Despite telling Babel that I'd like to see the output as it is, it displays it
> in a 4-column table.
>
> See http://i.imgur.com/neDO3.png for the original layout in SQL Query Analyser
> (1 column, 34 lines).
>
> Babel seems to interpret every *leading space* as *one empty column*. Normal,
> feature, bug?
>
> Is there some workaround to this?  I thought stating "scalar" would really
> completely override any interpretation...
>
> ** Code
>
> This is an example of code run against a Microsoft SQL server.
>
> #+begin_src sql :eval yes :results output scalar
> EXEC sp_helptext 'dt_setpropertybyid'
> #+end_src
>
> #+results:
> | Text                                    |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |-----------------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------------------------------------------|
> | /*                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | **                                      | If the property already exists, reset the value; otherwise add property |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | **                                      |                                                                         | id -- the id in sysobjects of the object                                                    |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | **                                      |                                                                         | property -- the name of the property                                                        |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | **                                      |                                                                         | value -- the text value of the property                                                     |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | **                                      |                                                                         | lvalue -- the binary value of the property (image)                                          |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | */                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | create procedure dbo.dt_setpropertybyid |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | @id int,                                                                |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | @property varchar(64),                                                  |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | @value varchar(255),                                                    |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | @lvalue image                                                           |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> | as                                      |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | set nocount on                                                          |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | declare @uvalue nvarchar(255)                                           |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | set @uvalue = convert(nvarchar(255), @value)                            |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | if exists (select * from dbo.dtproperties                               |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             | where objectid=@id and property=@property) |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | begin                                                                   |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         | --                                                                                          |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         | -- bump the version count for this row as we update it                                      |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         | --                                                                                          |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         | update dbo.dtproperties set value=@value, uvalue=@uvalue, lvalue=@lvalue, version=version+1 |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             | where objectid=@id and property=@property  |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | end                                                                     |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         |                                                                         |                                                                                             |                                            |
> |                                         | else                                                                    |                                                                                             |                                            |
> ...
>
> Best regards,
>   Seb

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-18 16:15 ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-10-19  9:19   ` Sebastien Vauban
  2011-10-19 18:08     ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-19  9:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte wrote:
>> Babel seems to interpret every *leading space* as *one empty column*.
>> Normal, feature, bug?
>>
>> Is there some workaround to this? I thought stating "scalar" would really
>> completely override any interpretation...
>
> I've just pushed up a fix which should resolve this issue.

It does better things, but at least at the wrong place.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700 :results output

    #+begin_src sql :eval yes :results scalar
    EXEC sp_helptext 'reset_me'
    #+end_src
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

becomes, after evaluation (indented for the sake of clarity):

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700 :results output

    Text                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CREATE PROCEDURE reset_me
            @pfi varchar(16)
    AS
    BEGIN
            PRINT 'Done!'
    END
                                    
    
    #+begin_src sql :eval yes :results scalar
    EXEC sp_helptext 'reset_me'
    #+end_src

    #+results:
    #+begin_example
    #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700 :results output

    Text                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CREATE PROCEDURE reset_me
            @pfi varchar(16)
    AS
    BEGIN
            PRINT 'Done!'
    END
                                    
    
    #+begin_src sql :eval yes :results scalar
    EXEC sp_helptext 'reset_me'
    #+end_src

    #+end_example

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

In short, it seems that:

- results is inserted at point's position (in the above case, I was using the
  eval speed command `e', thus being at #).

- the results is duplicated, with some part of the source buffer being
  repeated as well... See the presence of 2 `#+BABEL:' lines in the buffer,
  after the evaluation.

- depending on the point from which I run the code evaluation, there is (or
  there isn't) an `#+begin_example' directive. The `#+end_example' is always
  present.

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

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* Export an org file from the command line in the background
@ 2011-10-19 16:21 Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-10-19 16:27 ` Jambunathan K
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-10-19 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 911 bytes --]

Hi,

is it possible to export an org file from the command line, so that a
currently running Emacs instance is not disturbed? I want to export the
attached org file and run the included source blocks, so I have an
activity report in the end. I use the shell script pasted below, but
there are two problems:

- my Emacs instance is blocked during the execution of the shell
  scripts contained in the file
- the script globally sets org-confirm-babel-evaluate to nil for my
  Emacs instance

The second problem could possibly be solved with a local file variable.
But the first problem remains. If I use emacs instead of emacsclient, it
complains about a running Emacs instance.

  #!/bin/sh

  emacsclient -c \
  --eval "(progn
    (find-file \"macports.org\"))
    (setq org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
    (org-export-as-html 3)
    (kill-buffer)
    (delete-frame))"

I'm using Org-Mode 7.7.

Cheers,
Viktor

[-- Attachment #2: macports.org --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 1200 bytes --]

#+TITLE: MacPorts Update Report

* Helper functions                                                                        :noexport:
** Set up =$PATH= environment

Set up =$PATH=:

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :results silent
PATH=$PATH:/opt/local/bin
#+end_src

** Table Header for the list of outdated ports

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :results silent
print_outdated_header() {
    echo \|Port\|Installed\|Available\|
    echo "|--|"
}
#+end_src

** Format each row of =port outdated= as table entry

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :results silent
format_port_outdated() {
    awk '{print "|" $1 "|" $2 "|" $4 "|"}'
}
#+end_src

* Outdated ports

The following ports are outdated:

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :results output raw :exports results
print_outdated_header
port -q outdated | format_port_outdated
#+end_src

The following outdated ports are requested:

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :results output raw :exports results
print_outdated_header
port -q outdated and requested | format_port_outdated
#+end_src

* Update log

#+begin_src sh :session port-update :exports results :results verbatim
for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0; do echo "."; done
#+end_src

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* Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background
  2011-10-19 16:21 Export an org file from the command line in the background Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-10-19 16:27 ` Jambunathan K
  2011-10-19 20:14   ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Jambunathan K @ 2011-10-19 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


C-h v org-export-run-in-background

> Hi,
>
> is it possible to export an org file from the command line, so that a
> currently running Emacs instance is not disturbed? I want to export the
> attached org file and run the included source blocks, so I have an
> activity report in the end. I use the shell script pasted below, but
> there are two problems:
>
> - my Emacs instance is blocked during the execution of the shell
>   scripts contained in the file
> - the script globally sets org-confirm-babel-evaluate to nil for my
>   Emacs instance
>
> The second problem could possibly be solved with a local file variable.
> But the first problem remains. If I use emacs instead of emacsclient, it
> complains about a running Emacs instance.
>
>   #!/bin/sh
>
>   emacsclient -c \
>   --eval "(progn
>     (find-file \"macports.org\"))
>     (setq org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
>     (org-export-as-html 3)
>     (kill-buffer)
>     (delete-frame))"
>
> I'm using Org-Mode 7.7.
>
> Cheers,
> Viktor
>

-- 

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-18 13:20 [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Sebastien Vauban
  2011-10-18 16:15 ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-10-19 16:29 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-10-19 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

Sebastien Vauban wrote:

> #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700

Where is the :engine directive documented?

Cheers,
Viktor

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
  2011-09-22 14:43   ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 16:47   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-19 17:31     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-10-19 17:34     ` Sebastien Vauban
  2011-10-19 21:12   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
                     ` (5 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-19 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Sebastien Vauban wrote:
> 
> > #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700
> 
> Where is the :engine directive documented?
> 

The only place I know of is lisp/ob-sql.el - there is support for the following engines currently:


,----
|                     ...
|                     ('msosql (format "osql %s -s \"\t\" -i %s -o %s"
|                                      (or cmdline "")
|                                      (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
|                                      (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
|                     ('mysql (format "mysql %s < %s > %s"
|                                     (or cmdline "")
| 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
| 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
| 		    ('postgresql (format
| 				  "psql -A -P footer=off -F \"\t\"  -f %s -o %s %s"
| 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
| 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)
| 				    (or cmdline "")))
|                     (t (error "no support for the %s sql engine" engine)))))
| 		    ...
`----

Nick

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-19 16:47   ` [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 17:31     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-10-19 17:34     ` Sebastien Vauban
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-10-19 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Cool, thanks!

Nick Dokos wrote:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Sebastien Vauban wrote:
> > 
> > > #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700
> > 
> > Where is the :engine directive documented?
> > 
> 
> The only place I know of is lisp/ob-sql.el - there is support for the following engines currently:
> 
> 
> ,----
> |                     ...
> |                     ('msosql (format "osql %s -s \"\t\" -i %s -o %s"
> |                                      (or cmdline "")
> |                                      (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> |                                      (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
> |                     ('mysql (format "mysql %s < %s > %s"
> |                                     (or cmdline "")
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
> | 		    ('postgresql (format
> | 				  "psql -A -P footer=off -F \"\t\"  -f %s -o %s %s"
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)
> | 				    (or cmdline "")))
> |                     (t (error "no support for the %s sql engine" engine)))))
> | 		    ...
> `----
> 
> Nick
> 
> 

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-19 16:47   ` [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Nick Dokos
  2011-10-19 17:31     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-10-19 17:34     ` Sebastien Vauban
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-19 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ

Hi Viktor and Nick,

Nick Dokos wrote:
> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Sebastien Vauban wrote:
>> 
>> > #+BABEL:   :engine msosql :cmdline -S <SERVER> -U <USER> -P <PASS> -d <DATABASE> -n -w 700
>> 
>> Where is the :engine directive documented?
>
> The only place I know of is lisp/ob-sql.el - there is support for the following engines currently:
>
>
> ,----
> |                     ...
> |                     ('msosql (format "osql %s -s \"\t\" -i %s -o %s"
> |                                      (or cmdline "")
> |                                      (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> |                                      (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
> |                     ('mysql (format "mysql %s < %s > %s"
> |                                     (or cmdline "")
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)))
> | 		    ('postgresql (format
> | 				  "psql -A -P footer=off -F \"\t\"  -f %s -o %s %s"
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name in-file)
> | 				    (org-babel-process-file-name out-file)
> | 				    (or cmdline "")))
> |                     (t (error "no support for the %s sql engine" engine)))))
> | 		    ...
> `----

Nothing to add. The `engine' directive is SQL-specific.

Note that I have in mind to add such an `engine' directive to Ledger as well:
being able to let the transactions be processed by `ledger', `hledger' or
`beancount' -- the ones I know of, and which are mostly compatible between
each other.

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-19  9:19   ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2011-10-19 18:08     ` Eric Schulte
  2011-10-20  8:03       ` Sebastien Vauban
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-10-19 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

"Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Eric Schulte wrote:
>>> Babel seems to interpret every *leading space* as *one empty column*.
>>> Normal, feature, bug?
>>>
>>> Is there some workaround to this? I thought stating "scalar" would really
>>> completely override any interpretation...
>>
>> I've just pushed up a fix which should resolve this issue.
>
> It does better things, but at least at the wrong place.
>

oh, I forgot to insert into a temporary buffer.  This should now be
fixed.

Thanks -- Eric

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background
  2011-10-19 16:27 ` Jambunathan K
@ 2011-10-19 20:14   ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-10-19 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

Jambunathan K wrote:

> 
> C-h v org-export-run-in-background

This only works for org-export, but not for org-export-as-XXX.

Additionally, it appears that setting org-confirm-babel-evaluate locally
does not have an effect on background exports. Even setting it globally
in a running Emacs instance won't work; the command has to be in a file
that is loaded during Emacs startup.

The help contains the following text which I don't understand:

  This variable is safe as a file local variable if its value
  satisfies the predicate which is byte-compiled expression.

Cheers,
Viktor

> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > is it possible to export an org file from the command line, so that a
> > currently running Emacs instance is not disturbed? I want to export the
> > attached org file and run the included source blocks, so I have an
> > activity report in the end. I use the shell script pasted below, but
> > there are two problems:
> >
> > - my Emacs instance is blocked during the execution of the shell
> >   scripts contained in the file
> > - the script globally sets org-confirm-babel-evaluate to nil for my
> >   Emacs instance
> >
> > The second problem could possibly be solved with a local file variable.
> > But the first problem remains. If I use emacs instead of emacsclient, it
> > complains about a running Emacs instance.
> >
> >   #!/bin/sh
> >
> >   emacsclient -c \
> >   --eval "(progn
> >     (find-file \"macports.org\"))
> >     (setq org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
> >     (org-export-as-html 3)
> >     (kill-buffer)
> >     (delete-frame))"
> >
> > I'm using Org-Mode 7.7.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Viktor
> >
> 
> -- 
> 

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* Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
  2011-09-22 14:43   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-19 16:47   ` [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 21:12   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-19 22:28     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-10-19 21:22   ` Code block evaluation export bug ? (was: Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background) Nick Dokos
                     ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-19 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Jambunathan K wrote:
> 
> > 
> > C-h v org-export-run-in-background
> 
> This only works for org-export, but not for org-export-as-XXX.
> 
> Additionally, it appears that setting org-confirm-babel-evaluate locally
> does not have an effect on background exports. Even setting it globally
> in a running Emacs instance won't work; the command has to be in a file
> that is loaded during Emacs startup.
> 
> The help contains the following text which I don't understand:
> 
>   This variable is safe as a file local variable if its value
>   satisfies the predicate which is byte-compiled expression.
> 
> Cheers,
> Viktor
> 
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > is it possible to export an org file from the command line, so that a
> > > currently running Emacs instance is not disturbed? I want to export the
> > > attached org file and run the included source blocks, so I have an
> > > activity report in the end. I use the shell script pasted below, but
> > > there are two problems:
> > >
> > > - my Emacs instance is blocked during the execution of the shell
> > >   scripts contained in the file
> > > - the script globally sets org-confirm-babel-evaluate to nil for my
> > >   Emacs instance
> > >
> > > The second problem could possibly be solved with a local file variable.
> > > But the first problem remains. If I use emacs instead of emacsclient, it
> > > complains about a running Emacs instance.
> > >
> > >   #!/bin/sh
> > >
> > >   emacsclient -c \
> > >   --eval "(progn
> > >     (find-file \"macports.org\"))
> > >     (setq org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
> > >     (org-export-as-html 3)
> > >     (kill-buffer)
> > >     (delete-frame))"
> > >
> > > I'm using Org-Mode 7.7.
> > >


The usual method is to run a separate emacs in batch mode: that will avoid any conflicts
with the running instance. But batch implies -q, so you will have to provide a minimal .emacs
file that sets up enough structure to enable you to do what you want:

     emacs --batch -l ~/minimal.emacs \
       --eval '(let ((org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil))
                    (find-file "macports.org")
		    (org-export-as-html 3))'

should do it.

minimal.emacs would just load org - modulo path differences, something like:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;;; -*- mode: emacs-lisp -*-
;;; constant part
(add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/src/emacs/org/org-mode/lisp"))
(add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/src/emacs/org/org-mode/contrib/lisp"))
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.\\(org\\|org_archive\\|txt\\)$" . org-mode))
(require 'org-install)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Also note the let bind of org-confirm-babel-evaluate: that would alleviate the
second problem you mentioned above in the emacsclient case (and although it's
irrelevant in the emacs case, I still prefer the let bind over the explicit setq).

HTH,
Nick





		    

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* Code block evaluation export bug ? (was: Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background)
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
                     ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-10-19 21:12   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 21:22   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-21  1:57     ` Code block evaluation export bug ? Thomas S. Dye
  2011-10-19 22:37   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
                     ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-19 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

While testing my response to Viktor's question, I ran into a problem.
I used a test file that is slightly modified from a previous post of Tom Dye's:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* R tables

#+TBLNAME: tbl-1
| column1 | column2 |
|---------+---------|
|      45 |      34 |
|      77 |      56 |

#+tblname: tbl-2
| col1 | col2 |
|------+------|
| a    | b    |
| c    | d    |

#+tblname: tbl-3
| c1 | c2 |
|----+----|
| A  | B  |
| C  | D  |

#+BEGIN_SRC R :var x=tbl-1 :var y=tbl-2 :var z=tbl-3 :colnames yes :exports both :results value
z
#+END_SRC


--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Evaluating the code block correctly produces the result

,----
| 
| #+results:
| | c1 | c2 |
| |----+----|
| | A  | B  |
| | C  | D  |
`----

but exporting (to ascii, PDF, HTML or ODT) chops off the first row of the result. For example, here
is the ascii:

,----
| 
|   c1   c2  
|  ----+----
|   C    D   
`----

HTML produces:

,----
| <pre class="example">
|   c1 c2
| 1  C  D
| </pre>
`----

Latex:

,----
| \begin{center}
| \begin{tabular}{ll}
|  c1  &  c2  \\
| \hline
|  C   &  D   \\
| \end{tabular}
| \end{center}
`----

ODT:

,----
| <table:table table:name="" table:style-name="OrgTable">
| <table:table-column table:style-name="OrgTableColumn"/>
| <table:table-column table:style-name="OrgTableColumn"/>
| 
| <table:table-header-rows>
| <table:table-row><table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellT"><text:p text:style-name="OrgTableHeadingLeft">c1</text:p></table:table-cell>
| 
| <table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellT"><text:p text:style-name="OrgTableHeadingLeft">c2</text:p></table:table-cell>
| </table:table-row>
| 
| </table:table-header-rows>
| 
| <table:table-rows>
| <table:table-row><table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellTB"><text:p text:style-name="OrgTableContentsLeft">C</text:p></table:table-cell>
| 
| <table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellTB"><text:p text:style-name="OrgTableContentsLeft">D</text:p></table:table-cell>
| </table:table-row>
| 
| </table:table-rows>
| 
| </table:table>
`----

Versions:
GNU Emacs 24.0.50.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0) of 2011-09-13
Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.396.gfaaa)

Nick

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* Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background
  2011-10-19 21:12   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 22:28     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-10-19 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Nick,

Nick Dokos wrote:

> The usual method is to run a separate emacs in batch mode: that will avoid any conflicts
> with the running instance. But batch implies -q, so you will have to provide a minimal .emacs
> file that sets up enough structure to enable you to do what you want:
> 
>      emacs --batch -l ~/minimal.emacs \
>        --eval '(let ((org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil))
>                     (find-file "macports.org")
> 		    (org-export-as-html 3))'
> 
> should do it.

Thanks for your help. I got it running using a similar setup. One more
question, it doesn't matter if I put the code in the file that is loaded
via -l or in the --eval block, correct? I've included the code in the my
org file, so I can tangle it. I find it better to have all the Emacs
code in one location.

Here's what I came up with:

  (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/unix/src/org-mode/lisp"))
  (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/unix/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp"))
  (require 'org)
  (require 'ob-sh)
  (require 'ansi-color)
  (let ((ansi-color-for-comint-mode nil)
        (org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
        (org-use-sub-superscripts nil))
    (find-file "~/org/projects/macports/macports.org")
    (org-with-point-at
        (org-id-find "83583083-47B7-44DF-8474-1C6D03491C97" 'marker)
      (org-babel-execute-subtree))
    (org-export-as-html t)
    (kill-buffer))

Thanks again,
Viktor

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* Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
                     ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-10-19 21:22   ` Code block evaluation export bug ? (was: Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background) Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-19 22:37   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-11-16 15:52   ` Question regarding remote references in tables Nick Dokos
                     ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-19 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> ... 
> One more question, it doesn't matter if I put the code in the
> file that is loaded via -l or in the --eval block, correct? I've
> included the code in the my org file, so I can tangle it. I find it
> better to have all the Emacs code in one location.
>

Correct. Which is preferable is very much a matter of usage patterns and
taste.

> Here's what I came up with:
> 
>   (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/unix/src/org-mode/lisp"))
>   (add-to-list 'load-path (expand-file-name "~/unix/src/org-mode/contrib/lisp"))
>   (require 'org)
>   (require 'ob-sh)
>   (require 'ansi-color)
>   (let ((ansi-color-for-comint-mode nil)
>         (org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
>         (org-use-sub-superscripts nil))
>     (find-file "~/org/projects/macports/macports.org")
>     (org-with-point-at
>         (org-id-find "83583083-47B7-44DF-8474-1C6D03491C97" 'marker)
>       (org-babel-execute-subtree))
>     (org-export-as-html t)
>     (kill-buffer))

You don't need the kill-buffer if emacs is just going to exit. But it doesn't hurt.

Nick

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* Re: [babel] Verbatim output from SQL command
  2011-10-19 18:08     ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-10-20  8:03       ` Sebastien Vauban
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-20  8:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte wrote:
> "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>> Babel seems to interpret every *leading space* as *one empty column*.
>>>> Normal, feature, bug?
>>>>
>>>> Is there some workaround to this? I thought stating "scalar" would really
>>>> completely override any interpretation...
>>>
>>> I've just pushed up a fix which should resolve this issue.
>>
>> It does better things, but at least at the wrong place.
>
> oh, I forgot to insert into a temporary buffer.  This should now be
> fixed.

This works like a charm. Thanks a lot!

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

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* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-10-19 21:22   ` Code block evaluation export bug ? (was: Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background) Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-21  1:57     ` Thomas S. Dye
  2011-10-21  2:42       ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-22 23:51       ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2011-10-21  1:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> While testing my response to Viktor's question, I ran into a problem.
> I used a test file that is slightly modified from a previous post of Tom Dye's:
>
> * R tables
>
> #+TBLNAME: tbl-1
> | column1 | column2 |
> |---------+---------|
> |      45 |      34 |
> |      77 |      56 |
>
> #+tblname: tbl-2
> | col1 | col2 |
> |------+------|
> | a    | b    |
> | c    | d    |
>
> #+tblname: tbl-3
> | c1 | c2 |
> |----+----|
> | A  | B  |
> | C  | D  |
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC R :var x=tbl-1 :var y=tbl-2 :var z=tbl-3 :colnames yes :exports both :results value
> z
> #+END_SRC
>
>
>
> Evaluating the code block correctly produces the result
>
> ,----
> | 
> | #+results:
> | | c1 | c2 |
> | |----+----|
> | | A  | B  |
> | | C  | D  |
> `----
>
> but exporting (to ascii, PDF, HTML or ODT) chops off the first row of
> the result. For example, here
> is the ascii:
>
> ,----
> | 
> |   c1   c2  
> |  ----+----
> |   C    D   
> `----
>
> HTML produces:
>
> ,----
> | <pre class="example">
> |   c1 c2
> | 1  C  D
> | </pre>
> `----
>
> Latex:
>
> ,----
> | \begin{center}
> | \begin{tabular}{ll}
> |  c1  &  c2  \\
> | \hline
> |  C   &  D   \\
> | \end{tabular}
> | \end{center}
> `----
>
> ODT:
>
> ,----
> | <table:table table:name="" table:style-name="OrgTable">
> | <table:table-column table:style-name="OrgTableColumn"/>
> | <table:table-column table:style-name="OrgTableColumn"/>
> | 
> | <table:table-header-rows>
> | <table:table-row><table:table-cell
> | table:style-name="OrgTblCellT"><text:p
> | text:style-name="OrgTableHeadingLeft">c1</text:p></table:table-cell>
> | 
> | <table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellT"><text:p
> | text:style-name="OrgTableHeadingLeft">c2</text:p></table:table-cell>
> | </table:table-row>
> | 
> | </table:table-header-rows>
> | 
> | <table:table-rows>
> | <table:table-row><table:table-cell
> | table:style-name="OrgTblCellTB"><text:p
> | text:style-name="OrgTableContentsLeft">C</text:p></table:table-cell>
> | 
> | <table:table-cell table:style-name="OrgTblCellTB"><text:p
> | text:style-name="OrgTableContentsLeft">D</text:p></table:table-cell>
> | </table:table-row>
> | 
> | </table:table-rows>
> | 
> | </table:table>
> `----
>
> Versions:
> GNU Emacs 24.0.50.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0) of
> 2011-09-13
> Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.396.gfaaa)
>
> Nick
>
>

Aloha Nick,

I see the same behavior.

Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

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* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-10-21  1:57     ` Code block evaluation export bug ? Thomas S. Dye
@ 2011-10-21  2:42       ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-21  4:37         ` Nick Dokos
  2011-10-22 23:51       ` Nick Dokos
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-21  2:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas S. Dye; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:


> Aloha Nick,
> 
> I see the same behavior.
> 

Thanks for confirming! 

I'm not entirely sure but it seems to be R-specific: when babel does
variable assignments in org-babel-R-assign-elisp, it creates temp files
/tmp/babel-XXX/R-import-YYY and when the tables are written out to the
files, the first row of each table seems to go missing.

Nick

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* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-10-21  2:42       ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-21  4:37         ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-21  4:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas S. Dye; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:

> Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Aloha Nick,
> > 
> > I see the same behavior.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for confirming! 
> 
> I'm not entirely sure but it seems to be R-specific: when babel does
> variable assignments in org-babel-R-assign-elisp, it creates temp files
> /tmp/babel-XXX/R-import-YYY and when the tables are written out to the
> files, the first row of each table seems to go missing.
> 

I spoke too soon: I don't know what's going on, but the above is probably
wrong - please disregard. I'll take another whack at it over the weekend
(maybe).

Nick

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* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-10-21  1:57     ` Code block evaluation export bug ? Thomas S. Dye
  2011-10-21  2:42       ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-10-22 23:51       ` Nick Dokos
  2011-11-09 21:13         ` Eric Schulte
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-10-22 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas S. Dye; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:

> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> 
> > While testing my response to Viktor's question, I ran into a problem.
> > I used a test file that is slightly modified from a previous post of Tom Dye's:
> >
> > * R tables
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: tbl-1
> > | column1 | column2 |
> > |---------+---------|
> > |      45 |      34 |
> > |      77 |      56 |
> >
> > #+tblname: tbl-2
> > | col1 | col2 |
> > |------+------|
> > | a    | b    |
> > | c    | d    |
> >
> > #+tblname: tbl-3
> > | c1 | c2 |
> > |----+----|
> > | A  | B  |
> > | C  | D  |
> >
> > #+BEGIN_SRC R :var x=tbl-1 :var y=tbl-2 :var z=tbl-3 :colnames yes :exports both :results value
> > z
> > #+END_SRC
> >
> >
> >
> > Evaluating the code block correctly produces the result
> >
> > ,----
> > | 
> > | #+results:
> > | | c1 | c2 |
> > | |----+----|
> > | | A  | B  |
> > | | C  | D  |
> > `----
> >
> > but exporting (to ascii, PDF, HTML or ODT) chops off the first row of
> > the result. For example, here
> > is the ascii:
> >
> > ,----
> > | 
> > |   c1   c2  
> > |  ----+----
> > |   C    D   
> > `----
> > ...
> 
> Aloha Nick,
> 
> I see the same behavior.
> 

Here's a progress report on this: the call chain is

,----
| 
|   org-babel-process-params(((:comments . "") (:shebang . "") (:cache . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") (:tangle . "no") (:exports . "both") (:results . "replace value") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b") ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D")) (:session . "none") (:rowname-names) (:result-type . value) (:result-params "replace" "value") (:padnewline . "yes") (:hlines . "no") (:colnames . "yes") (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2"))))
|   ...    
|   (org-babel-exp-in-export-file lang (org-babel-process-params (org-babel-merge-params (nth 2 info) (\` ((:results \, (if silent "silent" "replace")))))))
|   ...                  
|   org-babel-exp-results(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no") (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes") (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b") ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block nil "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
|   ...                      
|   org-babel-exp-do-export(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no") (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes") (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b") ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
|   
|   org-babel-exp-src-block(...)
|                                             
|   org-export-blocks-preprocess()
|   ...            
|   org-export-preprocess-string(...)
|   ...    
|   org-export-as-ascii(nil nil nil "*Org ASCII Export*")
|   org-export-as-ascii-to-buffer(nil)
|   ...
|   org-export(nil)
`----

So far, so good: x, y and z are still 2x2 tables. But evaluating the last form, we get

((:var x (77 56)) (:var y ("c" "d")) (:var z ("C" "D")) (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:rowname-names) (:result-params "replace" "value" "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:comments . "") (:shebang . "") (:cache . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") ...)

The first row of each table has disappeared. Looks like a problem with org-babel-process-params.
Eric, can you take a look?

Thanks,
Nick

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* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-10-22 23:51       ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-11-09 21:13         ` Eric Schulte
  2011-11-09 21:55           ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-11-09 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

I turns out the problem here is that the table was being parsed for
column headers twice, so the top two rows were both being taken as
column headers.  I've just pushed up a fix.

Best -- Eric

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
>
>> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
>> 
>> > While testing my response to Viktor's question, I ran into a problem.
>> > I used a test file that is slightly modified from a previous post of Tom Dye's:
>> >
>> > * R tables
>> >
>> > #+TBLNAME: tbl-1
>> > | column1 | column2 |
>> > |---------+---------|
>> > |      45 |      34 |
>> > |      77 |      56 |
>> >
>> > #+tblname: tbl-2
>> > | col1 | col2 |
>> > |------+------|
>> > | a    | b    |
>> > | c    | d    |
>> >
>> > #+tblname: tbl-3
>> > | c1 | c2 |
>> > |----+----|
>> > | A  | B  |
>> > | C  | D  |
>> >
>> > #+BEGIN_SRC R :var x=tbl-1 :var y=tbl-2 :var z=tbl-3 :colnames yes :exports both :results value
>> > z
>> > #+END_SRC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Evaluating the code block correctly produces the result
>> >
>> > ,----
>> > | 
>> > | #+results:
>> > | | c1 | c2 |
>> > | |----+----|
>> > | | A  | B  |
>> > | | C  | D  |
>> > `----
>> >
>> > but exporting (to ascii, PDF, HTML or ODT) chops off the first row of
>> > the result. For example, here
>> > is the ascii:
>> >
>> > ,----
>> > | 
>> > |   c1   c2  
>> > |  ----+----
>> > |   C    D   
>> > `----
>> > ...
>> 
>> Aloha Nick,
>> 
>> I see the same behavior.
>> 
>
> Here's a progress report on this: the call chain is
>
> ,----
> | 
> |   org-babel-process-params(((:comments . "") (:shebang . "") (:cache
> | . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") (:tangle . "no") (:exports
> | . "both") (:results . "replace value") (:var x (45 34) (77 56))
> | (:var y ("a" "b") ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D")) (:session
> | . "none") (:rowname-names) (:result-type . value) (:result-params
> | "replace" "value") (:padnewline . "yes") (:hlines . "no") (:colnames
> | . "yes") (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2")
> | (z "c1" "c2"))))
> |   ...    
> |   (org-babel-exp-in-export-file lang (org-babel-process-params (org-babel-merge-params (nth 2 info) (\` ((:results \, (if silent "silent" "replace")))))))
> |   ...                  
> |   org-babel-exp-results(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names (x
> | "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames
> | . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no")
> | (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes")
> | (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results
> | . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang
> | . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b")
> | ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block nil
> | "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
> |   ...                      
> |   org-babel-exp-do-export(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names
> | (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames
> | . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no")
> | (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes")
> | (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results
> | . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang
> | . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b")
> | ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block
> | "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
> |   
> |   org-babel-exp-src-block(...)
> |                                             
> |   org-export-blocks-preprocess()
> |   ...            
> |   org-export-preprocess-string(...)
> |   ...    
> |   org-export-as-ascii(nil nil nil "*Org ASCII Export*")
> |   org-export-as-ascii-to-buffer(nil)
> |   ...
> |   org-export(nil)
> `----
>
> So far, so good: x, y and z are still 2x2 tables. But evaluating the last form, we get
>
> ((:var x (77 56)) (:var y ("c" "d")) (:var z ("C" "D"))
> (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1"
> "c2")) (:rowname-names) (:result-params "replace" "value" "replace"
> "value") (:result-type . value) (:comments . "") (:shebang . "")
> (:cache . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") ...)
>
> The first row of each table has disappeared. Looks like a problem with org-babel-process-params.
> Eric, can you take a look?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 68+ messages in thread

* Re: Code block evaluation export bug ?
  2011-11-09 21:13         ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-11-09 21:55           ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-11-09 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode

Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com> wrote:

> I turns out the problem here is that the table was being parsed for
> column headers twice, so the top two rows were both being taken as
> column headers.  I've just pushed up a fix.
> 

Works fine - thanks!

> Best -- Eric
> 
> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> 
> > Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> >> 
> >> > While testing my response to Viktor's question, I ran into a problem.
> >> > I used a test file that is slightly modified from a previous post of Tom Dye's:
> >> >
> >> > * R tables
> >> >
> >> > #+TBLNAME: tbl-1
> >> > | column1 | column2 |
> >> > |---------+---------|
> >> > |      45 |      34 |
> >> > |      77 |      56 |
> >> >
> >> > #+tblname: tbl-2
> >> > | col1 | col2 |
> >> > |------+------|
> >> > | a    | b    |
> >> > | c    | d    |
> >> >
> >> > #+tblname: tbl-3
> >> > | c1 | c2 |
> >> > |----+----|
> >> > | A  | B  |
> >> > | C  | D  |
> >> >
> >> > #+BEGIN_SRC R :var x=tbl-1 :var y=tbl-2 :var z=tbl-3 :colnames yes :exports both :results value
> >> > z
> >> > #+END_SRC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Evaluating the code block correctly produces the result
> >> >
> >> > ,----
> >> > | 
> >> > | #+results:
> >> > | | c1 | c2 |
> >> > | |----+----|
> >> > | | A  | B  |
> >> > | | C  | D  |
> >> > `----
> >> >
> >> > but exporting (to ascii, PDF, HTML or ODT) chops off the first row of
> >> > the result. For example, here
> >> > is the ascii:
> >> >
> >> > ,----
> >> > | 
> >> > |   c1   c2  
> >> > |  ----+----
> >> > |   C    D   
> >> > `----
> >> > ...
> >> 
> >> Aloha Nick,
> >> 
> >> I see the same behavior.
> >> 
> >
> > Here's a progress report on this: the call chain is
> >
> > ,----
> > | 
> > |   org-babel-process-params(((:comments . "") (:shebang . "") (:cache
> > | . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") (:tangle . "no") (:exports
> > | . "both") (:results . "replace value") (:var x (45 34) (77 56))
> > | (:var y ("a" "b") ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D")) (:session
> > | . "none") (:rowname-names) (:result-type . value) (:result-params
> > | "replace" "value") (:padnewline . "yes") (:hlines . "no") (:colnames
> > | . "yes") (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2")
> > | (z "c1" "c2"))))
> > |   ...    
> > |   (org-babel-exp-in-export-file lang (org-babel-process-params (org-babel-merge-params (nth 2 info) (\` ((:results \, (if silent "silent" "replace")))))))
> > |   ...                  
> > |   org-babel-exp-results(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names (x
> > | "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames
> > | . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no")
> > | (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes")
> > | (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results
> > | . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang
> > | . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b")
> > | ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block nil
> > | "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
> > |   ...                      
> > |   org-babel-exp-do-export(("R" "z" ((:cache . "no") (:colname-names
> > | (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1" "c2")) (:colnames
> > | . "yes") (:comments . "") (:exports . "both") (:hlines . "no")
> > | (:noweb . "no") (:padline . "") (:padnewline . "yes")
> > | (:result-params "replace" "value") (:result-type . value) (:results
> > | . "replace value") (:rowname-names) (:session . "none") (:shebang
> > | . "") (:tangle . "no") (:var x (45 34) (77 56)) (:var y ("a" "b")
> > | ("c" "d")) (:var z ("A" "B") ("C" "D"))) "" nil 0) block
> > | "6443d36b0252c9e3192f813429018760bee3c11d")
> > |   
> > |   org-babel-exp-src-block(...)
> > |                                             
> > |   org-export-blocks-preprocess()
> > |   ...            
> > |   org-export-preprocess-string(...)
> > |   ...    
> > |   org-export-as-ascii(nil nil nil "*Org ASCII Export*")
> > |   org-export-as-ascii-to-buffer(nil)
> > |   ...
> > |   org-export(nil)
> > `----
> >
> > So far, so good: x, y and z are still 2x2 tables. But evaluating the last form, we get
> >
> > ((:var x (77 56)) (:var y ("c" "d")) (:var z ("C" "D"))
> > (:colname-names (x "column1" "column2") (y "col1" "col2") (z "c1"
> > "c2")) (:rowname-names) (:result-params "replace" "value" "replace"
> > "value") (:result-type . value) (:comments . "") (:shebang . "")
> > (:cache . "no") (:padline . "") (:noweb . "no") ...)
> >
> > The first row of each table has disappeared. Looks like a problem with org-babel-process-params.
> > Eric, can you take a look?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> 
> -- 
> Eric Schulte
> http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
> 

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* Question regarding remote references in tables
@ 2011-11-16 15:27 Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-11-16 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

I'm trying to copy the values of a column in one table to another table
in. If I understand the manual correctly, this should be possible with
remote references. But I can't get it to work. In the example below, if
I evaluate the table formula, column 2 of table "bar" is copied into
column 3.

Cheers,
Viktor

* Source table

#+TBLNAME: foo
| Query | Time |
|-------+------|
|     1 |  123 |
|     2 |  234 |
|     3 |  345 |

* Reference table

#+TBLNAME: bar
| Query | Garbage | Old Time |
|-------+---------+----------|
|     1 | a       |          |
|     2 | b       |          |
|     3 | c       |          |
#+TBLFM: $3=remote(foo,$2)

* Expected

| Query | Garbage | Old Time |
|-------+---------+----------|
|     1 | a       |      123 |
|     2 | b       |      234 |
|     3 | c       |      345 |

* Produced

| Query | Garbage | Old Time |
|-------+---------+----------|
|     1 | a       | a        |
|     2 | b       | b        |
|     3 | c       | c        |

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* Re: Question regarding remote references in tables
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
                     ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-10-19 22:37   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
@ 2011-11-16 15:52   ` Nick Dokos
  2011-11-16 16:40     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-11-16 17:43     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-13 22:16   ` Refresh of http://orgmode.org Nick Dokos
  2012-07-07 20:02   ` Functions in SBE blocks Nick Dokos
  7 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-11-16 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to copy the values of a column in one table to another table
> in. If I understand the manual correctly, this should be possible with
> remote references. But I can't get it to work. In the example below, if
> I evaluate the table formula, column 2 of table "bar" is copied into
> column 3.
> 
> Cheers,
> Viktor
> 
> * Source table
> 
> #+TBLNAME: foo
> | Query | Time |
> |-------+------|
> |     1 |  123 |
> |     2 |  234 |
> |     3 |  345 |
> 
> * Reference table
> 
> #+TBLNAME: bar
> | Query | Garbage | Old Time |
> |-------+---------+----------|
> |     1 | a       |          |
> |     2 | b       |          |
> |     3 | c       |          |
> #+TBLFM: $3=remote(foo,$2)
> 

The manual says:

     $3 = remote(FOO, @@#$2)      copy column 2 from table FOO into
                                  column 3 of the current table

and that works.

Nick

> * Expected
> 
> | Query | Garbage | Old Time |
> |-------+---------+----------|
> |     1 | a       |      123 |
> |     2 | b       |      234 |
> |     3 | c       |      345 |
> 
> * Produced
> 
> | Query | Garbage | Old Time |
> |-------+---------+----------|
> |     1 | a       | a        |
> |     2 | b       | b        |
> |     3 | c       | c        |
> 

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 68+ messages in thread

* Re: Question regarding remote references in tables
  2011-11-16 15:52   ` Question regarding remote references in tables Nick Dokos
@ 2011-11-16 16:40     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-11-16 17:43     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-11-16 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to copy the values of a column in one table to another table
> > in. If I understand the manual correctly, this should be possible with
> > remote references. But I can't get it to work. In the example below, if
> > I evaluate the table formula, column 2 of table "bar" is copied into
> > column 3.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Viktor
> > 
> > * Source table
> > 
> > #+TBLNAME: foo
> > | Query | Time |
> > |-------+------|
> > |     1 |  123 |
> > |     2 |  234 |
> > |     3 |  345 |
> > 
> > * Reference table
> > 
> > #+TBLNAME: bar
> > | Query | Garbage | Old Time |
> > |-------+---------+----------|
> > |     1 | a       |          |
> > |     2 | b       |          |
> > |     3 | c       |          |
> > #+TBLFM: $3=remote(foo,$2)
> > 
> 
> The manual says:
> 
>      $3 = remote(FOO, @@#$2)      copy column 2 from table FOO into
>                                   column 3 of the current table
> 
> and that works.
> 

A quick look shows (modulo mistakes) that the difference is that the
second form matches org-table-range-regexp, whereas the first one does
not: I'm not sure if that changed recently and/or whether it's
deliberate.

Nick

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 68+ messages in thread

* Re: Question regarding remote references in tables
  2011-11-16 15:52   ` Question regarding remote references in tables Nick Dokos
  2011-11-16 16:40     ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-11-16 17:43     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-11-16 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nick Dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Nick Dokos wrote:

> The manual says:
> 
>      $3 = remote(FOO, @@#$2)      copy column 2 from table FOO into
>                                   column 3 of the current table
> 
> and that works.

Thank you, Nick. Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil. (Those who can read
are at a clear advantage -- a German saying that is appropriate here I
guess.)

Cheers,
Viktor

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* Refresh of http://orgmode.org
@ 2011-12-12 23:39 Bastien
  2011-12-13 17:25 ` Achim Gratz
                   ` (4 more replies)
  0 siblings, 5 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-12 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Dear all,

I made a small refresh of the website.

http://orgmode.org

- random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org)
- random screenshot
- twitter feed
- g+/flattr/fb buttons
- french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/)

If you want to help with the translation in your language, 
please send your public key and I will give you push access.
This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to
translate the whole website.

Hope you like it!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-12 23:39 Refresh of http://orgmode.org Bastien
@ 2011-12-13 17:25 ` Achim Gratz
  2011-12-13 19:27   ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 17:39 ` Samuel Wales
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2011-12-13 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> http://orgmode.org

I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing.  Could
it be added back, please?


Regards,
Achim.
-- 
+<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+

SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1:
http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-12 23:39 Refresh of http://orgmode.org Bastien
  2011-12-13 17:25 ` Achim Gratz
@ 2011-12-13 17:39 ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-13 18:39   ` Eric S Fraga
  2011-12-13 19:33   ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2011-12-13 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Looks beautiful.

Unfortunately, it does not work with large fonts.

Try setting Firefox to the maximum value for the minimum font size to
see what I mean.  You might or might not need to make the window size
smaller also.

Look at the bottom line on the screen, then scroll down once.  Now
look at the top line on the screen.

You should notice that several lines are missing.  The top bar obscures them.

In other words, page down does not work correctly, because the top bar
was designed for normal fonts only.

Thanks.

Samuel

-- 
The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
===
Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 17:39 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2011-12-13 18:39   ` Eric S Fraga
  2011-12-13 18:59     ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-13 19:35     ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 19:33   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2011-12-13 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: Bastien, emacs-orgmode

Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:

> Looks beautiful.

+1

Thanks!

The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box.  If I
have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and
especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in
my peripheral vision!  It's almost worse because of the faint display of
the box when not hovering over it.  Minor point, mind you;  I just don't
like animations on web sites...  others will of course disagree!

>
> Unfortunately, it does not work with large fonts.
>
> Try setting Firefox to the maximum value for the minimum font size to
> see what I mean.  You might or might not need to make the window size
> smaller also.
>
> Look at the bottom line on the screen, then scroll down once.  Now
> look at the top line on the screen.
>
> You should notice that several lines are missing.  The top bar obscures them.
>
> In other words, page down does not work correctly, because the top bar
> was designed for normal fonts only.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Samuel

Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here.  I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am
not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size
(via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly
fine.  The text in the title bar (Org: Your life...) does scroll over
the quote bar but there are no problems scrolling back and forth
otherwise in the main text section.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.92.1
: using Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.381.g05ea.dirty)

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 18:39   ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2011-12-13 18:59     ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-13 19:35     ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2011-12-13 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales, Bastien, emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

On 2011-12-13, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> the box when not hovering over it.  Minor point, mind you;  I just don't
> like animations on web sites...  others will of course disagree!

Agreed, though I have animations turned off.  Some find animations to
be an accessibility issue.

> Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here.  I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am
> not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size
> (via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly

Go to preferences/content/advanced and set the maximum minimum font
size.  You might or might not need a smaller window or to set lower
resolution.  Probably don't need that unless the whole page appears,
of course.  Keep trying.  You will reproduce.

Samuel

-- 
The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
===
Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 17:25 ` Achim Gratz
@ 2011-12-13 19:27   ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 19:32     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-12-13 20:27     ` Achim Gratz
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-13 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
>> http://orgmode.org
>
> I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing.  Could
> it be added back, please?

Done - please confirm.

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 19:27   ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-13 19:32     ` Nick Dokos
  2011-12-13 20:27     ` Achim Gratz
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-12-13 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Achim Gratz, emacs-orgmode, nicholas.dokos

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:
> 
> > Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> >> http://orgmode.org
> >
> > I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing.  Could
> > it be added back, please?
> 
> Done - please confirm.
> 

Never noticed its absence, but I can see it now :)

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 17:39 ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-13 18:39   ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2011-12-13 19:33   ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-13 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Samuel,

yes, there are definitely some readability and accessibility issues 
that need to be fixed.  

The css is here: http://orgmode.org/org.css

If anyone wants to send improvement, please do!  We can also use a
different .css, the html file are quite simple.

I hope you understand I'd rather not dedicate too much time on this
(I did already), as I have so many remaining Org bugs to fix... but
help is welcome !

Thanks for all your feedback,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 18:39   ` Eric S Fraga
  2011-12-13 18:59     ` Samuel Wales
@ 2011-12-13 19:35     ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 19:51       ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-14  8:49       ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-13 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box.  If I
> have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and
> especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in
> my peripheral vision!  It's almost worse because of the faint display of
> the box when not hovering over it.  Minor point, mind you;  I just don't
> like animations on web sites...  others will of course disagree!

If people want to get rid of this box in the index* pages, no objection.

But.. wait.. why do you keep the index.html page open then?  I don't
make oops-here-is-another-stupid-bugfix-releases *that* often :)

> Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here.  I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am
> not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size
> (via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly
> fine.  

I guess it depends on the screen resolution.  I have a fairly small
screen (on a fairly old computer) and I see what Samuel means...

Best,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 19:35     ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-13 19:51       ` Samuel Wales
  2011-12-14  8:49       ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2011-12-13 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Bastien,

Thanks for reproducing.  And thanks for the release.

Then maybe the bar is specified in pixels instead of ems?  Just a guess.

Samuel

-- 
The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
===
Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 19:27   ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 19:32     ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-12-13 20:27     ` Achim Gratz
  2011-12-20 23:23       ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2011-12-13 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> Done - please confirm.

Requesting /favicon.ico succeeds, but gets me a file that is exactly 0
bytes.  Asking for /org-mode-unicorn.ico gets a file that contains the
following text:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:48:25 GMT
Server: Apache
Last-Modified: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:43:15 GMT
ETag: "90e230f-47e-46ca64b90e2c0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 1150
Content-Type: image/x-icon

The wayback archive has a correct version of that file:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100925104250/http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.ico

(and it should probably be linked to /favicon.ico for the benefit of
older browsers).

Firefox seems to prefer the alternate PNG version of the icon and so it does
display.


Regards,
Achim.
-- 
+<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+

SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2:
http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-12 23:39 Refresh of http://orgmode.org Bastien
  2011-12-13 17:25 ` Achim Gratz
  2011-12-13 17:39 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
                     ` (2 more replies)
  2011-12-14  2:30 ` Scott Randby
  2011-12-15 13:10 ` Martyn Jago
  4 siblings, 3 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-12-13 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

I honestly liked the old one better. Some of my concrete criticism are:

- The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining
  and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load
  and even if you click on them, their content is not always accessible.

- I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin
  compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But
  that's just aesthetics.

- I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
  quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
  complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
  the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
  the bar.

- The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
  page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
  list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
  homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
  meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
  information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
  description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
  manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe
  that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the
  current format makes that hard.

Cheers,
Viktor

Bastien wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I made a small refresh of the website.
> 
> http://orgmode.org
> 
> - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org)
> - random screenshot
> - twitter feed
> - g+/flattr/fb buttons
> - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/)
> 
> If you want to help with the translation in your language, 
> please send your public key and I will give you push access.
> This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to
> translate the whole website.
> 
> Hope you like it!
> 
> -- 
>  Bastien
> 

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
                     ` (5 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-11-16 15:52   ` Question regarding remote references in tables Nick Dokos
@ 2011-12-13 22:16   ` Nick Dokos
  2012-07-07 20:02   ` Functions in SBE blocks Nick Dokos
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-12-13 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode; +Cc: nicholas.dokos

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:


> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
>   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
>   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
>   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
>   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
>   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
>   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
>   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".)


At least on Firefox, there *is* a panel of links
(Home/Download/Documentation/Community/News/More) and the manual is
available under the "Documentation" link.

Nick

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
  2011-12-14  8:53     ` Eric S Fraga
  2011-12-14 12:54     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-14  1:19   ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-14 13:17   ` Stefan Vollmar
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-13 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Viktor,

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> writes:

> - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining
>   and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load
>   and even if you click on them, their content is not always
>   accessible.

I agree.  Feel free to contribute to Worg with relevant screenshots 
that we can select as "featured on the index page."  Also add title
and caption for these screenshots.

> - I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin
>   compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But
>   that's just aesthetics.
>
> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
>   quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
>   complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
>   the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
>   the bar.

Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font?

> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
>   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
>   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
>   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
>   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
>   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
>   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
>   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe
>   that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the
>   current format makes that hard.

I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I
don't think that page was *that* readable.  In any case, you can always
pull the website (it's just a git repository) and you have everything
in "one directory".

If you have any patch that would make the website better to your eyes,
please send it!

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-14  1:19   ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-14 10:07     ` Bastien
  2011-12-14 13:17   ` Stefan Vollmar
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-14  1:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I honestly liked the old one better. Some of my concrete criticism are:
>
> - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining
>   and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load
>   and even if you click on them, their content is not always accessible.
>

+1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons
   mentioned above.  While it is fun for me to look at random
   screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a
   gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are
   meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good
   understanding of Org-mode.

>
> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
>   quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
>   complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
>   the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
>   the bar.
>

I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't
see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]).

>
> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
>   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
>   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
>   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
>   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
>   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
>   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
>   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".)

I agree that the manual should be linked with the term "manual", as
(unfortunately IMO) it seems many Emacs and Org-mode users aren't
comfortable using the build in Emacs info system and prefer to use the
online manual exclusively.

Aside from those items mentioned above I do generally like the style of
the new site.

Best,

> I believe that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information
> and the current format makes that hard.
>
> Cheers,
> Viktor
>
> Bastien wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I made a small refresh of the website.
>> 
>> http://orgmode.org
>> 
>> - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org)
>> - random screenshot
>> - twitter feed
>> - g+/flattr/fb buttons
>> - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/)
>> 
>> If you want to help with the translation in your language, 
>> please send your public key and I will give you push access.
>> This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to
>> translate the whole website.
>> 
>> Hope you like it!
>> 
>> -- 
>>  Bastien
>> 
>


Footnotes: 
[1]  http://imgur.com/mL3zb

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-12 23:39 Refresh of http://orgmode.org Bastien
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-12-14  2:30 ` Scott Randby
  2011-12-15 13:10 ` Martyn Jago
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Scott Randby @ 2011-12-14  2:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On 12/12/2011 06:39 PM, Bastien wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I made a small refresh of the website.
> 
> http://orgmode.org
> 
> - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org)
> - random screenshot
> - twitter feed
> - g+/flattr/fb buttons
> - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/)
> 
> If you want to help with the translation in your language, 
> please send your public key and I will give you push access.
> This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to
> translate the whole website.
> 
> Hope you like it!
> 

The random screenshot I saw was one of mine. :)

Scott Randby

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 19:35     ` Bastien
  2011-12-13 19:51       ` Samuel Wales
@ 2011-12-14  8:49       ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2011-12-14  8:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Emacs Org mode mailing list

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Hi Eric,

Hi Bastien!

>
> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box.  If I
>> have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and
>> especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in
>> my peripheral vision!  It's almost worse because of the faint display of
>> the box when not hovering over it.  Minor point, mind you;  I just don't
>> like animations on web sites...  others will of course disagree!
>
> If people want to get rid of this box in the index* pages, no objection.
>
> But.. wait.. why do you keep the index.html page open then?  I don't
> make oops-here-is-another-stupid-bugfix-releases *that* often :)

Very true!  I guess I was in a pedantic or picky mood last night... :(

Ignore my rant.  The site looks very nice otherwise!

-- 
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.90.1
: using Org-mode version 7.8.02 (release_7.8.02.2.g490d6a)

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-14  8:53     ` Eric S Fraga
  2011-12-14 12:54     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2011-12-14  8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> writes:

>> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
>>   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
>>   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
>>   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
>>   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
>>   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
>>   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
>>   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe
>>   that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the
>>   current format makes that hard.
>
> I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I
> don't think that page was *that* readable.  In any case, you can always

I agree with Bastien here.  In fact, I used to use the old website in
the manner the new one requires: using the left index to go to the bit I
wanted.  The new one is more obvious in this regard.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.90.1
: using Org-mode version 7.8.02 (release_7.8.02.2.g490d6a)

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14  1:19   ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-14 10:07     ` Bastien
  2011-12-14 18:45       ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-14 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:

> +1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons
>    mentioned above.  While it is fun for me to look at random
>    screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a
>    gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are
>    meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good
>    understanding of Org-mode.

Again, I agree.  Patch welcome!

>> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
>>   quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
>>   complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
>>   the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
>>   the bar.
>
> I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't
> see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]).

Mh.. your screen seems quite small.  If you can fix the .css to display
the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand
now to do it myself.

>> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
>>   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
>>   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
>>   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
>>   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
>>   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
>>   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
>>   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".)
>
> I agree that the manual should be linked with the term "manual", as
> (unfortunately IMO) it seems many Emacs and Org-mode users aren't
> comfortable using the build in Emacs info system and prefer to use the
> online manual exclusively.

Well, the manual is two clicks away: 

1) "Documentation" 
2) "The online manual" 

I find it good to gather every available documentation in one single
page, that people will later be exposed to when looking for "orgmode
documentation".  That's also the benefit of having one page.

And one Google Search away:

http://www.google.fr/search?&ie=UTF-8&q=orgmode+manual
-> http://orgmode.org/org.html

> Aside from those items mentioned above I do generally like the style of
> the new site.

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
  2011-12-14  8:53     ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2011-12-14 12:54     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-14 17:40       ` Bastien
  2011-12-14 18:15       ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-12-14 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Bastien,

Bastien wrote:

> > - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining
> >   and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load
> >   and even if you click on them, their content is not always
> >   accessible.
> 
> I agree.  Feel free to contribute to Worg with relevant screenshots 
> that we can select as "featured on the index page."  Also add title
> and caption for these screenshots.

I think the old screenshot was good enough. A link beneath it to the
screenshot page on Worg would be useful.
 
> > - I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin
> >   compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But
> >   that's just aesthetics.
> >
> > - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
> >   quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
> >   complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
> >   the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
> >   the bar.
> 
> Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font?

Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything.

> > - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one
> >   page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing
> >   list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new
> >   homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of
> >   meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful
> >   information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the
> >   description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the
> >   manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe
> >   that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the
> >   current format makes that hard.
> 
> I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I
> don't think that page was *that* readable.  In any case, you can always
> pull the website (it's just a git repository) and you have everything
> in "one directory".

I agree that the old page wasn't very readable as it did contain a lot
of information. I just don't feel that the new layout is better, on the
contrary.

Cheers,
Viktor

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 21:50 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-13 22:22   ` Bastien
  2011-12-14  1:19   ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-14 13:17   ` Stefan Vollmar
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2011-12-14 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode Mailing List; +Cc: Viktor Rosenfeld

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Dear Viktor,
dear Bastien,

On 13.12.2011, at 22:50, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:

> [...]- I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin
>  compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But
>  that's just aesthetics.
> 
> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
>  quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
>  complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
>  the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
>  the bar.


I really like the new web site "look" (thanks, Bastien!): I tested it on a Mac with recent versions of Firefox, Safari and Opera and was (so far) very pleased with both usability and aesthetics. However, that was on a machine with a large screen and I can imagine that some layout and font decisions could be improved for smaller systems - it does not work so well on the iPhone where I also did some testing. Almost every web site has that problem - the solution usually is to provide more than one stylesheet and provide a suitable one depending on the browser identification; this works well with most SmartPhones and the iPad. We have some institute-internal services that do this (not difficult to implement with PHP) - is this an option for the current orgmode-site? 

Warm regards,
 Stefan
-- 
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de







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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 12:54     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-12-14 17:40       ` Bastien
  2011-12-14 18:15       ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-14 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi all,

Old School Org screenshots are back in orgmode.org.

Enjoy!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 12:54     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-14 17:40       ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-14 18:15       ` Bastien
  2011-12-14 22:10         ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-14 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> writes:

>> Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font?
>
> Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything.

Thanks in advance for this!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 10:07     ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-14 18:45       ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15  4:11         ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15 14:10         ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-14 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

>
>> +1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons
>>    mentioned above.  While it is fun for me to look at random
>>    screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a
>>    gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are
>>    meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good
>>    understanding of Org-mode.
>
> Again, I agree.  Patch welcome!
>

Ah, I should have known to hold my tongue! :)

I pushed a patch up to a new "old-image" branch in the orgweb
repository, but it seems you've now taken care of this independently so
please feel free to delete that branch.

>
>>> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random
>>>   quote.  It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A
>>>   complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover
>>>   the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above
>>>   the bar.
>>
>> I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't
>> see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]).
>
> Mh.. your screen seems quite small.  If you can fix the .css to display
> the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand
> now to do it myself.
>

One of my preferred layout looks something like the following, which can
lead to a small windows for Firefox.

    +----------------+---------------+
    |                |               |
    |                |               |
    |   Firefox      |   Emacs       |
    |                |               |
    |                |               |
    +----------------+---------------+
    |             Terminal           |
    +--------------------------------+

There is a huge difference in readability between those websites which
take variable window size into consideration and those which assume a
large screen (or a full screen browser).  I'll take a shot at changing
the CSS in the orgweb repository to facility smaller layouts (I guess
some special CSS for mobile browsers may also make sense).

...looking...

It looks like making the Org-mode website responsive to the viewers
window size should be as simple as adding a couple of "@media" guards
[1] to the css page.  I may have time to tackle this over the weekend.
I do need some help compiling the Org-mode web page from the git
repository.  Is there an org-mode publishing project which I should
define locally?  In general how are the many file in orgweb compiled
into the site?

Thanks,

--
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 18:15       ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-14 22:10         ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  2011-12-14 22:17           ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2011-12-14 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

Bastien wrote:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> writes:
> 
> >> Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font?
> >
> > Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything.
> 
> Thanks in advance for this!

What's the git URL of the homepage repository?

Thanks,
Viktor

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 22:10         ` Viktor Rosenfeld
@ 2011-12-14 22:17           ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-14 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

>
> What's the git URL of the homepage repository?
>

git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 18:45       ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-15  4:11         ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15 14:03           ` Bastien
  2011-12-15 14:10         ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-15  4:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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>>
>> Mh.. your screen seems quite small.  If you can fix the .css to display
>> the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand
>> now to do it myself.
>>

The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for
smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen height).

The changes include...
- scale down images on narrow screens
- decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens
- decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens
- shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this
  button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible
- remove the Org-mode image on really small screens
- remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was
  unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny
  screen

These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve
the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less
than 1400 pixels wide.

If these look good please apply them.

Thanks,


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From 9bb86f8c206e2b749c9c49c4ad33f11e07e4f3fc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:30:02 -0700
Subject: [PATCH 1/3] ignoring exported html indices

---
 .gitignore |    1 +
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 .gitignore

diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..dcaf716
--- /dev/null
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+index.html
-- 
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From e262903d6d21173d786c15d4e4db155d466c8407 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:30:28 -0700
Subject: [PATCH 2/3] shrink links and remove twitter on narrow screens

---
 org.css |  147 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----------------------------
 1 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 65 deletions(-)

diff --git a/org.css b/org.css
index cce24dd..ad6785e 100644
--- a/org.css
+++ b/org.css
@@ -96,50 +96,87 @@ h1.title {
     font-family: Courier New;

 }

 

-#linklist 

-{

-    position: fixed;

-    font-size: 13pt;

-    font-family: Courier New; 

-    padding-top: 0px;

-    padding-right: 0px;

-    top: 107px;

-    left: 0px;

-    margin-top: 0px;

-    width: 180px;

-    background-color: #fff;

-    color: black;

-    box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;

-    -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;

-    -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;

-    z-index: 100;

-}

-

-#linklist a {

-    color: black;

-    font-weight: normal; 

-    text-decoration: none;

-    display:block;

-    padding: 7pt;

-}

-

-#linklist ul {

-    margin: 0;

-    padding: 0;

-}

-

-#linklist li {

-    text-align: right;

-    margin: 0;

-}

-

-.timestamp {

-    font-family: Courier New;

-    color: #888888;

-}

-

-#linklist li:hover {

-    border-left: 7px solid #537d7b;

+@media all {

+    #linklist 

+    {

+        position: fixed;

+        font-size: 13pt;

+        font-family: Courier New; 

+        padding-top: 0px;

+        padding-right: 0px;

+        top: 107px;

+        left: 0px;

+        margin-top: 0px;

+        width: 180px;

+        background-color: #fff;

+        color: black;

+        box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;

+        -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;

+        -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;

+        z-index: 100;

+    }

+

+    #linklist a {

+        color: black;

+        font-weight: normal; 

+        text-decoration: none;

+        display:block;

+        padding: 7pt;

+    }

+

+    #linklist ul {

+        margin: 0;

+        padding: 0;

+    }

+

+    #linklist li {

+        text-align: right;

+        margin: 0;

+    }

+

+    .timestamp {

+        font-family: Courier New;

+        color: #888888;

+    }

+

+    #linklist li:hover {

+        border-left: 7px solid #537d7b;

+    }

+

+    #twit {

+        /* -moz-opacity:.2; */

+        /* opacity: .2; */

+        /* filter:alpha(opacity=20); */

+        position: fixed;

+        top: 362px;

+        box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;

+        -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;

+        -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;

+        z-index: 100;

+    }

+

+    .outline-2 {

+        position: relative;

+        top: 105px;

+        left: 215px;

+        width: 75%;

+        padding-bottom: 5pt;

+    }

+}

+

+@media all and (max-width: 700px){

+    #linklist{

+        width: 130px;

+    }

+    #linklist a{

+        font-size: 10pt;

+    }

+    #twit{

+        display: none;

+    }

+    .outline-2 {

+        left: 145px;

+    }

 }

 

 pre {

@@ -176,26 +213,6 @@ pre {
     filter:alpha(opacity=100);

 }

 

-.outline-2 {

-    position: relative;

-    left: 215px;

-    top: 105px;

-    width: 75%;

-    padding-bottom: 5pt;

-}

-

-#twit {

-    /* -moz-opacity:.2; */

-    /* opacity: .2; */

-    /* filter:alpha(opacity=20); */

-    position: fixed;

-    top: 362px;

-    box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;

-    -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;

-    -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;

-    z-index: 100;

-}

-

 /* #twit:hover { */

 /*     -moz-opacity:1; */

 /*     opacity: 1; */

@@ -314,7 +331,7 @@ li {
 }

 

 img.random {

-    max-width: 750px;

+    max-width: 75%;

     max-height: 380px;

     margin-bottom: 10pt;

     border: 1px solid black;

-- 
1.7.8


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From 67762c50047bbbfb71d87245b791c02cc9dcf234 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:02:28 -0700
Subject: [PATCH 3/3] title width adjusts appropriately given window width

---
 org.css |   69 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----------------
 1 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)

diff --git a/org.css b/org.css
index ad6785e..8cbe0c3 100644
--- a/org.css
+++ b/org.css
@@ -13,7 +13,6 @@ body {
 }

 

 .title {

-    background: url(http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.png) no-repeat 12px 5px;

     position: fixed;

     display: inline;

     left: 0px;

@@ -41,14 +40,6 @@ body {
     z-index: 98;

 }

 

-#paypal {

-    position:fixed;

-    right: 10px;

-    top: 15px;

-    z-index: 100;

-    text-align: center;

-}

-

 #paypal a {

     font-family: Courier new;

     cursor: pointer;

@@ -88,15 +79,23 @@ body {
     padding-top: 15px;

 }

 

-h1.title {

-    text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px #999;

-    padding-top: 23px;

-    padding-left: 70pt;

-    font-size: 23pt;

-    font-family: Courier New;

-}

-

 @media all {

+    #paypal {

+        position:fixed;

+        right: 10px;

+        top: 15px;

+        z-index: 100;

+        text-align: center;

+    }

+

+    h1.title {

+        text-shadow: 2px 2px 4px #999;

+        padding-top: 23px;

+        padding-left: 0pt;

+        font-size: 23pt;

+        font-family: Courier New;

+    }

+

     #linklist 

     {

         position: fixed;

@@ -164,7 +163,36 @@ h1.title {
     }

 }

 

+@media all and (min-width: 1400px){

+    padding-left: 75pt;

+}

+

+@media all and (min-width: 650px){

+    .title{

+        background: url(http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.png) no-repeat 12px 5px;

+    }

+}

+

+@media all and (max-width: 750px){

+    #paypal{

+        position: absolute;

+        top: 2px;

+        right: 2px;

+    }

+    #paypal a{

+        width: 60px;

+        font-size: 8pt;

+    }

+    #paypal a:hover {

+        width: 60px; 

+        font-size: 8pt;

+    }

+}

+

 @media all and (max-width: 700px){

+    h1.title{

+        padding-left: 0pt;

+    }

     #linklist{

         width: 130px;

     }

@@ -174,9 +202,14 @@ h1.title {
     #twit{

         display: none;

     }

-    .outline-2 {

+    .outline-2{

         left: 145px;

     }

+    #paypal{

+        position:fixed;

+        left: 0px;

+        top: 362px;

+    }

 }

 

 pre {

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-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-12 23:39 Refresh of http://orgmode.org Bastien
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-12-14  2:30 ` Scott Randby
@ 2011-12-15 13:10 ` Martyn Jago
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Martyn Jago @ 2011-12-15 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Dear all,
>
> I made a small refresh of the website.
>
> http://orgmode.org
>
> - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org)
> - random screenshot
> - twitter feed
> - g+/flattr/fb buttons
> - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/)
>
> If you want to help with the translation in your language, 
> please send your public key and I will give you push access.
> This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to
> translate the whole website.
>
> Hope you like it!

I personally really like the new look (on a 19" Wide-screen Safari browser under
OSX). It looks really clean, organized, and professional. 

I tended to think the original page held just too much information, as a
landing page - i.e. for a potentially new Org-user who is making there
first steps into researching Org-mode. 

Incidentally, it also looks really good on the Ipad (safari), where the left-hand
column links work just fine.

Best, Martyn

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-15  4:11         ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-15 14:03           ` Bastien
  2011-12-15 15:10             ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-15 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:

> The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for
> smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen
> height).
>
> The changes include...
> - scale down images on narrow screens
> - decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens
> - decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens
> - shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this
>   button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible
> - remove the Org-mode image on really small screens
> - remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was
>   unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny
>   screen

Looks fine - thanks!

> These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve
> the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less
> than 1400 pixels wide.
>
> If these look good please apply them.

I don't understand the first patch, as there should be no index.html in
the git repository.  

The two others don't apply.  There seem to be blank lines where there
should not.  Can you resent them?

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-14 18:45       ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15  4:11         ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-15 14:10         ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-15 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:

> Ah, I should have known to hold my tongue! :)
>
> I pushed a patch up to a new "old-image" branch in the orgweb
> repository, but it seems you've now taken care of this independently so
> please feel free to delete that branch.

Mhh..  yes, I deleted this branch.  Thanks anyway!

> One of my preferred layout looks something like the following, which can
> lead to a small windows for Firefox.
>
>     +----------------+---------------+
>     |                |               |
>     |                |               |
>     |   Firefox      |   Emacs       |
>     |                |               |
>     |                |               |
>     +----------------+---------------+
>     |             Terminal           |
>     +--------------------------------+
>
> There is a huge difference in readability between those websites which
> take variable window size into consideration and those which assume a
> large screen (or a full screen browser).  I'll take a shot at changing
> the CSS in the orgweb repository to facility smaller layouts (I guess
> some special CSS for mobile browsers may also make sense).
>
> ...looking...
>
> It looks like making the Org-mode website responsive to the viewers
> window size should be as simple as adding a couple of "@media" guards
> [1] to the css page.  I may have time to tackle this over the weekend.
> I do need some help compiling the Org-mode web page from the git
> repository.  Is there an org-mode publishing project which I should
> define locally?  

I use this locally:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq org-publish-project-alist
      `(("orgweb"
	 :base-directory "~/install/git/orgweb/"
	 :base-extension "org"
	 :publishing-directory "/srv/http/org-mode/"
	 :publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
	 :auto-sitemap nil
	 :section-numbers nil
	 :table-of-contents nil
	 :html-preamble ,(org-get-file-contents "/srv/http/org-mode/preamble.html")
	 :html-postamble ,(org-get-file-contents "/srv/http/org-mode/postamble.html"))
       ("orgweb_extra"
	 :base-directory "~/install/git/orgweb/"
	 :base-extension "css\\|html\\|png"
	 :publishing-directory "/srv/http/org-mode/"
	 :publishing-function org-publish-attachment)))
#+end_src

... my web server serves web pages at "/srv/http/org-mode/".
I also have a project for the fr/ directory, very similar to
this one.

> In general how are the many file in orgweb compiled into the site?

Each time someone pushes a fix to orgweb.git, there is a hook calling 
a script launching emacs in batch mode for publishing the website.  The
same way than for Worg, exactly.

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-15 14:03           ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-15 15:10             ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15 15:18               ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-15 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:
>
>> The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for
>> smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen
>> height).
>>
>> The changes include...
>> - scale down images on narrow screens
>> - decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens
>> - decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens
>> - shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this
>>   button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible
>> - remove the Org-mode image on really small screens
>> - remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was
>>   unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny
>>   screen
>
> Looks fine - thanks!
>
>> These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve
>> the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less
>> than 1400 pixels wide.
>>
>> If these look good please apply them.
>
> I don't understand the first patch, as there should be no index.html in
> the git repository.  
>

Exactly, that is why it is ignored. :)

I did this mainly so that I could export index.org to generate a base to
work off of (before I had the project description you just send in
another email).

Should the publish project definition be added to the orgweb repository
in a non-exporting file, so that anyone can build the site locally for
testing?

>
> The two others don't apply.  There seem to be blank lines where there
> should not.  Can you resent them?
>

Since you seem to like the changes listed above I've just pushed these
patches up directly, so they should now be applied.

Best -- Eric

>
> Thanks!

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-15 15:10             ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-15 15:18               ` Bastien
  2011-12-15 15:26                 ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-15 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Eric,

Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:

> Exactly, that is why it is ignored. :)
>
> I did this mainly so that I could export index.org to generate a base to
> work off of (before I had the project description you just send in
> another email).

Okay, no problem.

> Should the publish project definition be added to the orgweb repository
> in a non-exporting file, so that anyone can build the site locally for
> testing?

Sure -- maybe just add a README.

>> The two others don't apply.  There seem to be blank lines where there
>> should not.  Can you resent them?
>
> Since you seem to like the changes listed above I've just pushed these
> patches up directly, so they should now be applied.

Thanks.  We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct
z-index so that text don't overlap. 

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-15 15:18               ` Bastien
@ 2011-12-15 15:26                 ` Eric Schulte
  2011-12-15 15:44                   ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-12-15 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

>
> Thanks.  We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct
> z-index so that text don't overlap. 

I believe I just pushed up a fix for this

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-15 15:26                 ` Eric Schulte
@ 2011-12-15 15:44                   ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-15 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Eric Schulte <eric.schulte@gmx.com> writes:

>> Thanks.  We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct
>> z-index so that text don't overlap. 
>
> I believe I just pushed up a fix for this

Confirmed, thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Refresh of http://orgmode.org
  2011-12-13 20:27     ` Achim Gratz
@ 2011-12-20 23:23       ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-12-20 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Achim,

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> The wayback archive has a correct version of that file:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20100925104250/http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.ico

Thanks -- both org-mode-unicorn.ico and favicon.ico should work 
fine now.

-- 
 Bastien

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* Functions in SBE blocks
@ 2012-07-07 18:58 Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2012-07-07 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

I can't get SBE blocks called from a table to work, if they use
functions like org-parse-time-string.

Suppose I have the following table:

| Start            | Ende             | |
|------------------+------------------+-|
| [2011-06-29 Wed] | [2012-02-29 Wed] | |
#+TBLFM: $3='(sbe "billable-month" (start $1) (end $2))

and the following source block:

#+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(let* ((start-date start))
   (message "%s" start-date))
#+END_SRC

If I evaluate the table, the start date is put into the last column.
However, if I change the code to the following:

#+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string start)))
   (message "%s" (nth 4 start-date)))
#+END_SRC

then the string #ERROR is inserted into the table. Evaluating the source
block directly yields the correct result.

What's going on here?

Thanks,
Viktor

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* Re: Functions in SBE blocks
       [not found] ` <listuser36@googlemail.com>
                     ` (6 preceding siblings ...)
  2011-12-13 22:16   ` Refresh of http://orgmode.org Nick Dokos
@ 2012-07-07 20:02   ` Nick Dokos
  2012-07-08  0:55     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2012-07-07 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I can't get SBE blocks called from a table to work, if they use
> functions like org-parse-time-string.
> 
> Suppose I have the following table:
> 
> | Start            | Ende             | |
> |------------------+------------------+-|
> | [2011-06-29 Wed] | [2012-02-29 Wed] | |
> #+TBLFM: $3='(sbe "billable-month" (start $1) (end $2))
> 
> and the following source block:
> 
> #+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> (let* ((start-date start))
>    (message "%s" start-date))
> #+END_SRC
> 
> If I evaluate the table, the start date is put into the last column.
> However, if I change the code to the following:
> 
> #+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> (let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string start)))
>    (message "%s" (nth 4 start-date)))
> #+END_SRC
> 
> then the string #ERROR is inserted into the table. Evaluating the source
> block directly yields the correct result.
> 
> What's going on here?
> 

Finicky type matching: if you evaluate the second code block in the buffer with

   ESC ESC : (sbe "billable-month" (start "[2011-06-29 Wed]") (end  "[2012-02-29 Wed]")) RET

you get a backtrace similar to this:

,----
| Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp [2011-06-29 Wed])
|   string-match("\\(\\([0-9]\\{4\\}\\)-\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)-\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)\\( +[^]+0-9>
\n -]+\\)?\\( +\\([0-9]\\{1,2\\}\\):\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)\\)?\\)" [2011-06-29 Wed])
|   (if (string-match org-ts-regexp0 s) (list 0 (if (or (match-beginning 8) (not nodefault)) (string-to-number (or (match-string 8 s) "0"))) (if (or (match-beginning 7) (not nodefault)) (string-to-number (or (match-string 7 s) "0"))) (string-to-number (match-string 4 s)) (string-to-number (match-string 3 s)) (string-to-number (match-string 2 s)) nil nil nil) (error "Not a standard Org-mode time string: %s" s))
|   org-parse-time-string([2011-06-29 Wed])
|   (let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string start))) (format "%d" (nth 4 start-date)))
|   ...
`----

Somewhere, the string becomes not a string. Try modifying the block to this:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string (format "%s" start))))
   (message "%s" (nth 4 start-date)))
#+END_SRC

Nick

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* Re: Functions in SBE blocks
  2012-07-07 20:02   ` Functions in SBE blocks Nick Dokos
@ 2012-07-08  0:55     ` Viktor Rosenfeld
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Viktor Rosenfeld @ 2012-07-08  0:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Nick,

Nick Dokos wrote:

> Viktor Rosenfeld <listuser36@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I can't get SBE blocks called from a table to work, if they use
> > functions like org-parse-time-string.
> > 
> > Suppose I have the following table:
> > 
> > | Start            | Ende             | |
> > |------------------+------------------+-|
> > | [2011-06-29 Wed] | [2012-02-29 Wed] | |
> > #+TBLFM: $3='(sbe "billable-month" (start $1) (end $2))
> > 
> > and the following source block:
> > 
> > #+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
> > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> > (let* ((start-date start))
> >    (message "%s" start-date))
> > #+END_SRC
> > 
> > If I evaluate the table, the start date is put into the last column.
> > However, if I change the code to the following:
> > 
> > #+NAME: billable-month(start="[2011-06-29 Wed]", end="[2012-02-29 Wed]")
> > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> > (let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string start)))
> >    (message "%s" (nth 4 start-date)))
> > #+END_SRC
> > 
> > then the string #ERROR is inserted into the table. Evaluating the source
> > block directly yields the correct result.
> > 
> > What's going on here?
> > 
> 
> Finicky type matching: if you evaluate the second code block in the buffer with
> 
>    ESC ESC : (sbe "billable-month" (start "[2011-06-29 Wed]") (end  "[2012-02-29 Wed]")) RET
> 
> you get a backtrace similar to this:
> 
> ,----
> | Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp [2011-06-29 Wed])
> |   string-match("\\(\\([0-9]\\{4\\}\\)-\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)-\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)\\( +[^]+0-9>
> \n -]+\\)?\\( +\\([0-9]\\{1,2\\}\\):\\([0-9]\\{2\\}\\)\\)?\\)" [2011-06-29 Wed])
> |   (if (string-match org-ts-regexp0 s) (list 0 (if (or (match-beginning 8) (not nodefault)) (string-to-number (or (match-string 8 s) "0"))) (if (or (match-beginning 7) (not nodefault)) (string-to-number (or (match-string 7 s) "0"))) (string-to-number (match-string 4 s)) (string-to-number (match-string 3 s)) (string-to-number (match-string 2 s)) nil nil nil) (error "Not a standard Org-mode time string: %s" s))
> |   org-parse-time-string([2011-06-29 Wed])
> |   (let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string start))) (format "%d" (nth 4 start-date)))
> |   ...
> `----
> 
> Somewhere, the string becomes not a string. Try modifying the block to this:
> 
> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> (let* ((start-date (org-parse-time-string (format "%s" start))))
>    (message "%s" (nth 4 start-date)))
> #+END_SRC
> 
> Nick

Thanks, that does the trick. The double ESC evaluation is helpful, too.

Cheers,
Viktor

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2011-11-16 15:27 Question regarding remote references in tables Viktor Rosenfeld
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2011-10-19 21:12   ` Export an org file from the command line in the background Nick Dokos
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2011-10-19 21:22   ` Code block evaluation export bug ? (was: Re: Export an org file from the command line in the background) Nick Dokos
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2011-10-21  2:42       ` Nick Dokos
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2011-10-22 23:51       ` Nick Dokos
2011-11-09 21:13         ` Eric Schulte
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